Ah, from Sweden! Please be so kind to tell us if that company sells HP to
*rocket amateurs* too, in Europe. Website?
It would surprise me because http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/ with deep
pockets had to resort to distill their peroxide themselves for driving
propellant pumps (they used a the classic glass lab setup in a ventilated
shack). Only a few years ago.
jd
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There appears to be some difference in the US and Europe regarding shipping of
peroxide.
Whether it is stabilized industrial grade hydrogen peroxide (60%) or HTP with a
concentration of 85%, I always get it delivered in 30L plastic canisters in a
standard truck at a cost of 2000SEK (≈233USD) per pallet. The only difference
is that the HTP is delivered on plastic pallets while the industrial grade is
always delivered on wooden pallets. There is also no requirement that the truck
should be empty and only carry the peroxide. All this is according to ADR
(European Agreement Concerning the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by
Road).
I pay 12SEK / kg for industrial grade and 27 SEK / Kg for the HTP.
Malte
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Ben Brockert < <mailto:wikkit@xxxxxxxxx>
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I've bought peroxide from FMC in the last year. It's shipped in 30 gallon
purpose-built aluminum drums. It just has to be shipped in a truck with
floors that aren't wood; in our case it came in a normal refrigerator semi
trailer with aluminum floors. It's not specialized to peroxide transport.
The shipping is nearly flat rate, as you need an empty truck and all the
hazmat processes. So it's best to order as much as practical in one order.
The counterbalance to that is that they charge $15 per day per drum rental
after the first 30 days, so you also want to ship the drums back (which can
be done non-hazmat if they are triple rinsed to FMC procedure) as soon as
they are empty.
Each 30 gal peroxide drum comes with a 55 gallon plastic drum of deionized
water, which is an important fluid for peroxide operations.
Ben
On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Wyatt Rehder <
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wrote:
I talked to the peroxide division of FMC a few years ago. I guess they
sold it and it is now called PeroxyChem. At the time they didn't regularly
operate their HTP plant so you had to pay to restart the production line.
Not sure if that is still the case now.
I know some people who have purchased small quantities from XL-Space
somewhat recently. I don't what his production ability is.
The real kicker with HTP is the shipping. FMC had a special conex
container and a special truck to transport it. Since it isn't a chemical
that is commonly transported (In that Concentration) there aren't really
many off the shelf solutions for shipping it. So shipping tends to cost
about as much as the peroxide if you are buying a large amount, probably
more than the peroxide if it's a small amount. You could do it yourself of
course so long as you have a hazmat shipping endorsement for whatever method
of transportation you are using.
You could always buy your own 150 lb/day plant from XL-space for $29,600
it looks like. Though I think you might also have to get permits or other
regulatory things to operate the plant.
Also I cant really think of anyone other than the British, that have done
a Kero/HTP rocket of that size.