I've been using XL peroxide.
Over the years I've probably gotten 10,000lbs from XL.
I had one batch that had phosphorous issues...and killed cat packs.
XL stood by their product and both corrected the issues that caused the
problem and replaced the bad material.
My plan going forward is to use XL.
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:37 AM, John Dom <johndom@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ah, from Sweden! Please be so kind to tell us if that company sells HP to
*rocket amateurs* too, in Europe. Website?
It would surprise me because http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/ with deep
pockets had to resort to distill their peroxide themselves for driving
propellant pumps (they used a the classic glass lab setup in a ventilated
shack). Only a few years ago.
jd
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There appears to be some difference in the US and Europe regarding
shipping of peroxide.
Whether it is stabilized industrial grade hydrogen peroxide (60%) or HTP
with a concentration of 85%, I always get it delivered in 30L plastic
canisters in a standard truck at a cost of 2000SEK (≈233USD) per pallet.
The only difference is that the HTP is delivered on plastic pallets while
the industrial grade is always delivered on wooden pallets. There is also
no requirement that the truck should be empty and only carry the
peroxide. All this is according to ADR (European Agreement Concerning the
International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road).
I pay 12SEK / kg for industrial grade and 27 SEK / Kg for the HTP.
Malte
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On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Ben Brockert <wikkit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:gallon
I've bought peroxide from FMC in the last year. It's shipped in 30
purpose-built aluminum drums. It just has to be shipped in a truck withsemi
floors that aren't wood; in our case it came in a normal refrigerator
trailer with aluminum floors. It's not specialized to peroxide transport.order.
The shipping is nearly flat rate, as you need an empty truck and all the
hazmat processes. So it's best to order as much as practical in one
The counterbalance to that is that they charge $15 per day per drumrental
after the first 30 days, so you also want to ship the drums back (whichcan
be done non-hazmat if they are triple rinsed to FMC procedure) as soon asdeionized
they are empty.
Each 30 gal peroxide drum comes with a 55 gallon plastic drum of
water, which is an important fluid for peroxide operations.regularly
Ben
On Saturday, December 19, 2015, Wyatt Rehder <wyatt.rehder@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I talked to the peroxide division of FMC a few years ago. I guess they
sold it and it is now called PeroxyChem. At the time they didn't
line.operate their HTP plant so you had to pay to restart the production
ofNot sure if that is still the case now.
I know some people who have purchased small quantities from XL-Space
somewhat recently. I don't what his production ability is.
The real kicker with HTP is the shipping. FMC had a special conex
container and a special truck to transport it. Since it isn't a chemical
that is commonly transported (In that Concentration) there aren't really
many off the shelf solutions for shipping it. So shipping tends to cost
about as much as the peroxide if you are buying a large amount, probably
more than the peroxide if it's a small amount. You could do it yourself
methodcourse so long as you have a hazmat shipping endorsement for whatever
otherof transportation you are using.
You could always buy your own 150 lb/day plant from XL-space for $29,600
it looks like. Though I think you might also have to get permits or
doneregulatory things to operate the plant.
Also I cant really think of anyone other than the British, that have
a Kero/HTP rocket of that size.