Yes, that would be great Richard! --- Carl On 8/21/2014 11:21 AM, r.hagensick@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Carl, I would be happy to send you a copy of mine if you want to see what you need to provide to the FAA. Richard Hagensick ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Tedesco <ctedesco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:28:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [AR] Re: dynamic stability Thanks Richard, but this is for a liquid bi-propellant rocket, which I don't believe Tripoli allows. This is for the university rocket project I mentor --- SDSU. I just looked into Rocksim Pro and it is $1000 which is more than we can afford. Do any Arocketeers have Rocksim Pro and would be willing to help out a University team. --- Carl On 8/20/2014 6:30 PM, Richard Hagensick wrote:If you belong to Tripoli Rocketry they have a Class 3 committee that will do the analysis for you and provide you with the paperwork you need to file your permit. They use Rocksim Pro. I submitted mine to the FAA for a 150K launch at BALLS this year. Richard Hagensick -----Original Message----- From: arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:arocket-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monroe L. King Jr. Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:44 PM To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AR] Re: dynamic stability I don't think Flowmetrics flies under a TRA waiver for starters. The one launch I observed was an atlas vernier modification LOX and Hydrocarbon at FAR As I understand it Class 3 is "P" and above and you can bet they want a FULL 3 Sigma 6 degree of freedom analysis. AT a TRA event such as BALLS if you within a certain amount of their standing waiver for altitude you might get some benefit. But they are still going to require 3 sigma analysis (although you might get some help with it) and they in-turn are going to hand that to the FAA. Last I remember it's 14 points they look at during the analysis I have a list here somewhere. Monroe-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [AR] Re: dynamic stability From: Carl Tedesco <ctedesco@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, August 20, 2014 5:24 pm To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx That is what I wondered. From an aerospace engineering point of view, dynamic stability looks to see how a rocket will respond when a disturbance is imparted on it. CP/CG rules determine static stability, albeit still important. So, the Tripoli example you mention suggests that they just want to know how the CP and CG change throughout the entire flight? Monroe, do they require they require 3-sigma or dispersion analysis? Below is an excerpt of what I was emailed (looks like it was cut & pasted from the FAA website). (a) Class 2---High-Power Rockets. When a Class 2---High-Power Rocket requires a certificate of waiver or authorization, the person planning the operation must provide the information below on each type of rocket to the FAA at least 45 days before the proposed operation. The FAA may request additional information if necessary to ensure the proposed operations can be safely conducted. The information shall include for each type of Class 2 rocket expected to be flown: (1) Estimated number of rockets, (2) Type of propulsion (liquid or solid), fuel(s) and oxidizer(s), (3) Description of the launcher(s) planned to be used, including any airborne platform(s), (4) Description of recovery system, (5) Highest altitude, above ground level, expected to be reached, (6) Launch site latitude, longitude, and elevation, and (7) Any additional safety procedures that will be followed. (b) Class 3---Advanced High-Power Rockets. When a Class 3---Advanced High-Power Rocket requires a certificate of waiver or authorization the person planning the operation must provide the information below for each type of rocket to the FAA at least 45 days before the proposed operation. The FAA may request additional information if necessary to ensure the proposed operations can be safely conducted. The information shall include for each type of Class 3 rocket expected to be flown: (1) The information requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, (2) Maximum possible range, (3) The dynamic stability characteristics for the entire flight profile, (4) A description of all major rocket systems, including structural, pneumatic, propellant, propulsion, ignition, electrical, avionics, recovery, wind-weighting, flight control, and tracking, (5) A description of other support equipment necessary for a safe operation, (6) The planned flight profile and sequence of events, (7) All nominal impact areas, including those for any spent motors and other discarded hardware, within three standard deviations of the mean impact point, (8) Launch commit criteria, (9) Countdown procedures, and (10) Mishap procedures. --- Carl
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