[blind-democracy] Re: Phone ideas?

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
  • To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:40:01 -0400

Thank you for the information. I might fit one of those qualifications, but I doubt that it applies in West Virginia. Nevertheless, my contemplation about what kind of phone to get has reverted to very slow again. The urgency was quashed. I found out that the problem with my land line phone was that the plug that went into the wall socket for electricity was loose. A good hard push repaired it. I still think that the world has moved on to the point that to fully function I need some kind of mobile phone and a smart phone would be best. I described that company that provides one with a sighted agent to describe things for one thing, but it would also be really convenient to make purchases just by pointing the phone at something that will deduct the price from my account. For that matter, I have signed up for Wallmart + because that is the cheapest way I know of to get grocery delivery,  but with a smart phone with their app on it I could just walk through the store picking up items and scanning them and walk out of the store without bothering with the checkout aisle. But right now the urgency is gone. With my land line phone working again I can relax and slowly contemplate what I will do about phone service in the future. If I keep running into web sites that just assume that everyone has a mobile phone and won't let me use it unless I can give them a mobile number that future might come sooner than I would like.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/16/2021 5:58 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi Roger, I apologize that I took so long to get back to you. I have been 
overwhelmed at work and am working on about 3 hours per day of sleep. The 
gestures you will need to learn for the basics are:
Swiping, which is moving your fingers horizontally left to right or right to 
left
Flicking which is moving your fingers up or down
Tapping which is as the name implies tapping your fingers on the screen
The good news is that the gestures are the same throughout the system no matter 
what application you are in. I don't know what resources are available to you 
there in West Virginia. Here in Massachusetts you can get an iPhone for free if 
you fall into one of the following categories:
Have an open VR case (working, in school or seeking employment)
Are retired, over age 55 and are below 3x poverty level for income.
Are registered with the commission for the blind as being multiple-handicapped 
(deaf-blind for example)
Even if you purchase the phone yourself the commission for the bind will 
provide training for anyone who requests it. If you are over 55 and are income 
eligible the MassEDP program will even pay for the cell service. I can't take 
advantage of it myself since blind employees of the commission for the blind 
are banned from taking part in any publicly funded services. Assuming there is 
nothing similar where you live you can get relatively low cost refurbished 
iPhones on Amazon.
Here is an example:
https://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPhone-GSM-Unlocked-64GB/dp/B0775MV9K2/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=renewed+iphone&qid=1623880598&sr=8-4
There are many tutorials online such as:
http://applevis.com
I am not encouraging you to get involved in the organized blind movement but 
look for groups of blind folks in your area who may be willing to sit with you 
for a few hours and show things to you.
Frank
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Phone ideas?

If there was any justice one would expect that if your employer mandates that 
you use it then your employer should pay for it. Your comment that it is easy 
to use is encouraging, but can you say anything about the blind experience of 
using that touch screen? Are the gestures only a few that are repeated from app 
to app or do you have to memorize a lot of them? I really would like to have an 
iPhone, but the price tag and that touch screen kind of makes me wary.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept On 6/11/2021 10:13 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, I use an Apple iPhone. It cost me a ton of money, about 5 times what I 
paid for my first car and the reason I chose it is that my employer mandates 
that we all have one. It is easy to use but the product lifecycle is only a few 
years.
Frank

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Subject: [blind-democracy] Phone ideas?

I have a question. Maybe I should say questions plural. On a list where people 
think that fifty-two-year-old music recordings are something new this might not 
be the best place to ask, but I am not subscribed to any lists right now where 
this would be on topic. So since nothing is off topic here I thought I would at 
least start here. My land line phone is acting up. Right now I am lucky if I 
get a dial tone instead of some kind of mysterious beeping and incoming calls 
are being cut off before I can answer. I have called the phone company to fix 
it now twice and both times it started acting up soon afterwards. So I am 
thinking that the problem might be in the physical phone rather than the line. 
That would call for buying a new phone. If I buy a new phone I am thinking that 
it might be about time for me to get myself into the twenty-first century like 
everyone else and give up my land line for a cell phone as my only phone. But 
if I do that I am going into it blind in more ways than just that my eyes don't 
work. I have been wanting a smart phone for a long time because I am fascinated 
by the many and varied cool things that one can do with them, but they are 
expensive and I don't trust myself to be able to learn using a touch screen 
very well. I always have been a lot better at learning things that you know 
than I have been at learning things you do. That is why I used to be able to 
take a lab and lecture
       course and ace the lecture and nearly flunk the lab. I know that there 
are a lot of choices that are not smart phones too and some that actually have 
buttons. I think I could get along much better with buttons. But I don't know a 
lot about all the choices that are available and which work better for a blind 
person. Most of the people I know are so sight oriented that they can't imagine 
a blind person working any device. So does anyone on this list have any advice? 
Do any of you use a cell phone yourselves? If so, can you say something about 
why it was a good choice for you and how much it costs and anything else you 
might have to say about it?


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept




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