I just took a look at that You Tube video and it was disappointing that
your gestures have to change when using voice over as opposed to not
using it, but at the same time it sounds like it might be easier to use
the iPhone than I thought it would be. One thing it occurs to me to do
is to try it out. I have an acquaintance who has one. That's the same
one who said that the price is something I wouldn't have to worry about
because I would make payments on it every month and that would be a part
of my phone bill. Putting aside that I don't think that paying an ultra
high phone bill would be any reason to not worry about it, I just might
ask her to let me examine her phone and possibly show me something about
how to use it whenever she comes around again, which is not real often.
Now that my land line phone is working again I am nowhere near taking
the plunge and buying an iPhone right away, but just trying it out might
help me with my contemplation.
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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/16/2021 6:05 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, the screen reader on the iPhone is known as Voiceover. Siri is the voice
control system. Those are two different things. With Voiceover turned on
whenever you touch any item on the screen it will tell you what you are
touching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9jwJxgs4Ks
Frank
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Oh, another question. How useful is Siri? Am I spelling that right? It would be
a lot better if as you make your gestures on the touch screen she would tell
you what your fingers are passing over. Based on the chatter I pick up on these
email lists I am thinking that she probably does not help in that way.
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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'!
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D.
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept On 6/11/2021 10:13 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, I use an Apple iPhone. It cost me a ton of money, about 5 times what I
paid for my first car and the reason I chose it is that my employer mandates
that we all have one. It is easy to use but the product lifecycle is only a few
years.
Frank
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Phone ideas?
I have a question. Maybe I should say questions plural. On a list where people
think that fifty-two-year-old music recordings are something new this might not
be the best place to ask, but I am not subscribed to any lists right now where
this would be on topic. So since nothing is off topic here I thought I would at
least start here. My land line phone is acting up. Right now I am lucky if I
get a dial tone instead of some kind of mysterious beeping and incoming calls
are being cut off before I can answer. I have called the phone company to fix
it now twice and both times it started acting up soon afterwards. So I am
thinking that the problem might be in the physical phone rather than the line.
That would call for buying a new phone. If I buy a new phone I am thinking that
it might be about time for me to get myself into the twenty-first century like
everyone else and give up my land line for a cell phone as my only phone. But
if I do that I am going into it blind in more ways than just that my eyes don't
work. I have been wanting a smart phone for a long time because I am fascinated
by the many and varied cool things that one can do with them, but they are
expensive and I don't trust myself to be able to learn using a touch screen
very well. I always have been a lot better at learning things that you know
than I have been at learning things you do. That is why I used to be able to
take a lab and lecture
course and ace the lecture and nearly flunk the lab. I know that there
are a lot of choices that are not smart phones too and some that actually have
buttons. I think I could get along much better with buttons. But I don't know a
lot about all the choices that are available and which work better for a blind
person. Most of the people I know are so sight oriented that they can't imagine
a blind person working any device. So does anyone on this list have any advice?
Do any of you use a cell phone yourselves? If so, can you say something about
why it was a good choice for you and how much it costs and anything else you
might have to say about it?
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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'!
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D.
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept