[blind-democracy] Re: Phone ideas?

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
  • To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 23:54:54 -0400

I just took a look at that You Tube video and it was disappointing that your gestures have to change when using voice over as opposed to not using it, but at the same time it sounds like it might be easier to use the iPhone than I thought it would be. One thing it occurs to me to do is to try it out. I have an acquaintance who has one. That's the same one who said that the price is something I wouldn't have to worry about because I would make payments on it every month and that would be a part of my phone bill. Putting aside that I don't think that paying an ultra high phone bill would be any reason to not worry about it, I just might ask her to let me examine her phone and possibly show me something about how to use it whenever she comes around again, which is not real often. Now that my land line phone is working again I am nowhere near taking the plunge and buying an iPhone right away, but just trying it out might help me with my contemplation.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/16/2021 6:05 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:

Roger, the screen reader on the iPhone is known as Voiceover. Siri is the voice 
control system. Those are two different things. With Voiceover turned on 
whenever you touch any item on the screen it will tell you what you are 
touching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9jwJxgs4Ks

Frank
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Oh, another question. How useful is Siri? Am I spelling that right? It would be 
a lot better if as you make your gestures on the touch screen she would tell 
you what your fingers are passing over. Based on the chatter I pick up on these 
email lists I am thinking that she probably does not help in that way.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept On 6/11/2021 10:13 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, I use an Apple iPhone. It cost me a ton of money, about 5 times what I 
paid for my first car and the reason I chose it is that my employer mandates 
that we all have one. It is easy to use but the product lifecycle is only a few 
years.
Frank

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Subject: [blind-democracy] Phone ideas?

I have a question. Maybe I should say questions plural. On a list where people 
think that fifty-two-year-old music recordings are something new this might not 
be the best place to ask, but I am not subscribed to any lists right now where 
this would be on topic. So since nothing is off topic here I thought I would at 
least start here. My land line phone is acting up. Right now I am lucky if I 
get a dial tone instead of some kind of mysterious beeping and incoming calls 
are being cut off before I can answer. I have called the phone company to fix 
it now twice and both times it started acting up soon afterwards. So I am 
thinking that the problem might be in the physical phone rather than the line. 
That would call for buying a new phone. If I buy a new phone I am thinking that 
it might be about time for me to get myself into the twenty-first century like 
everyone else and give up my land line for a cell phone as my only phone. But 
if I do that I am going into it blind in more ways than just that my eyes don't 
work. I have been wanting a smart phone for a long time because I am fascinated 
by the many and varied cool things that one can do with them, but they are 
expensive and I don't trust myself to be able to learn using a touch screen 
very well. I always have been a lot better at learning things that you know 
than I have been at learning things you do. That is why I used to be able to 
take a lab and lecture
       course and ace the lecture and nearly flunk the lab. I know that there 
are a lot of choices that are not smart phones too and some that actually have 
buttons. I think I could get along much better with buttons. But I don't know a 
lot about all the choices that are available and which work better for a blind 
person. Most of the people I know are so sight oriented that they can't imagine 
a blind person working any device. So does anyone on this list have any advice? 
Do any of you use a cell phone yourselves? If so, can you say something about 
why it was a good choice for you and how much it costs and anything else you 
might have to say about it?


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept




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