[blind-democracy] Re: Phone ideas?

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
  • To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:32:46 -0400

Of course, if a web site just asks for your mobile number and you write none - or in my case I just leave it blank - there will be no negative results. But when a web site asks for your mobile number so that they can send you a code by means of texting it and then ask that you enter the code before proceeding then that is a different matter. Is it negative results? You might call it no results at all. Without going into the details of what the site was all about, that happened to me just recently. It didn't even offer any other form of identity verification. So I finally emailed my acquaintance with the iPhone and asked her if I could enter her phone number and if she could then email me the code that she would get. I told her that this would not work unless she was available right then that moment. Fortunately she was and I was able to continue. But these kinds of identity verification processes are becoming more and more common. The people who set up the web sites just assume that everyone has a mobile phone that will receive text messages and apparently do not even think of offering alternatives. As time goes on this is going to make functioning more and more difficult. And not just any cell phone will do either. You mentioned the Jitterbug, for example. Well, as I recall, the only thing it will do is to let you make and receive old fashioned telephone calls. It does not have text messaging. Even if it did, for a blind user to use that function it would have to have a built in voice to read the text to you. I can just see that in the not to distant future there might be brick and mortar stores that will accept payment only through an app on a phone. In fact, I have never encountered this myself, but I have heard of stores that no longer accept cash. At minimum you have to have a debit or credit card to shop there. Why would they do that? Simply that it is easier for them and that credit and debit cards are so common now that they can afford to do so. It also protects them from robbery. Why would a robber even try to knock over a store that had absolutely zero cash on hand? But having to keep up with technology to function is nothing new. Just look at the disadvantage the Amish put themselves to by eschewing automobiles in favor of horses and buggies. But at least they live in rather insular communities where they don't have to deal with that many people who are not also Amish. If they did not have that community of similar thinking people and had to function individually then could they function at all? I don't think they would make it very far if they did not start using some recent technology. So I am comfortable with my land line phone. I am comfortable with it because that is what I have always used. But eventually I will have to switch to something else whether I am comfortable with it or not and whether it is more expensive than I would like or not. I am already feeling the effects of not having done so yet. Then there is this to consider. Just how long will it be before the phone company stops offering land line service? There will come a time that there will not be enough customers using land lines to make it worth it to the phone company to continue to maintain all their lines. And with the masses of people who have already given up land lines that time may be closer than one would expect.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/17/2021 9:55 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:

Roger,

I find that on many websites, they ask for a mobile phone number. I write, 
"none", and there's no negative result. Second, if there is a way to shop from 
home with a mobile phone, then there's a way to shop from home with your computer. If you 
need to go to the store to shop, I'd question how easy it would be for a blind person to 
walk through that store independently, pointing one's phone at stuff. And the last thing 
I'd mention is that I have a son-in-law who attempted for years to use the same smart 
phone rather than upgrading because he hated to spend the money for a new phone. He has 
the money, but that's not what he's willing to spend it for. That didn't work out well at 
all. True, it wasn't an I phone but the principle is the same. When it died, he lost all 
his data.

Miriam

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Thank you for the information. I might fit one of those qualifications, but I 
doubt that it applies in West Virginia. Nevertheless, my contemplation about 
what kind of phone to get has reverted to very slow again. The urgency was 
quashed. I found out that the problem with my land line phone was that the plug 
that went into the wall socket for electricity was loose. A good hard push 
repaired it. I still think that the world has moved on to the point that to 
fully function I need some kind of mobile phone and a smart phone would be 
best. I described that company that provides one with a sighted agent to 
describe things for one thing, but it would also be really convenient to make 
purchases just by pointing the phone at something that will deduct the price 
from my account. For that matter, I have signed up for Wallmart + because that 
is the cheapest way I know of to get grocery delivery,  but with a smart phone 
with their app on it I could just walk through the store picking up items and 
scanning them and walk out of the store without bothering with the checkout 
aisle. But right now the urgency is gone. With my land line phone working again 
I can relax and slowly contemplate what I will do about phone service in the 
future. If I keep running into web sites that just assume that everyone has a 
mobile phone and won't let me use it unless I can give them a mobile number 
that future might come sooner than I would like.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept On 6/16/2021 5:58 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Hi Roger, I apologize that I took so long to get back to you. I have been 
overwhelmed at work and am working on about 3 hours per day of sleep. The 
gestures you will need to learn for the basics are:
Swiping, which is moving your fingers horizontally left to right or
right to left Flicking which is moving your fingers up or down Tapping
which is as the name implies tapping your fingers on the screen The
good news is that the gestures are the same throughout the system no matter 
what application you are in. I don't know what resources are available to you 
there in West Virginia. Here in Massachusetts you can get an iPhone for free if 
you fall into one of the following categories:
Have an open VR case (working, in school or seeking employment) Are
retired, over age 55 and are below 3x poverty level for income.
Are registered with the commission for the blind as being
multiple-handicapped (deaf-blind for example) Even if you purchase the phone 
yourself the commission for the bind will provide training for anyone who 
requests it. If you are over 55 and are income eligible the MassEDP program 
will even pay for the cell service. I can't take advantage of it myself since 
blind employees of the commission for the blind are banned from taking part in 
any publicly funded services. Assuming there is nothing similar where you live 
you can get relatively low cost refurbished iPhones on Amazon.
Here is an example:
https://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPhone-GSM-Unlocked-64GB/dp/B0775MV9K2/re
f=mp_s_a_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=renewed+iphone&qid=1623880598&sr=8-4
There are many tutorials online such as:
http://applevis.com
I am not encouraging you to get involved in the organized blind movement but 
look for groups of blind folks in your area who may be willing to sit with you 
for a few hours and show things to you.
Frank
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If there was any justice one would expect that if your employer mandates that 
you use it then your employer should pay for it. Your comment that it is easy 
to use is encouraging, but can you say anything about the blind experience of 
using that touch screen? Are the gestures only a few that are repeated from app 
to app or do you have to memorize a lot of them? I really would like to have an 
iPhone, but the price tag and that touch screen kind of makes me wary.


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief 
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to 
be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a 
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! 
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself 
had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must 
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. 
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept On 6/11/2021 10:13 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
Roger, I use an Apple iPhone. It cost me a ton of money, about 5 times what I 
paid for my first car and the reason I chose it is that my employer mandates 
that we all have one. It is easy to use but the product lifecycle is only a few 
years.
Frank

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Subject: [blind-democracy] Phone ideas?

I have a question. Maybe I should say questions plural. On a list where people 
think that fifty-two-year-old music recordings are something new this might not 
be the best place to ask, but I am not subscribed to any lists right now where 
this would be on topic. So since nothing is off topic here I thought I would at 
least start here. My land line phone is acting up. Right now I am lucky if I 
get a dial tone instead of some kind of mysterious beeping and incoming calls 
are being cut off before I can answer. I have called the phone company to fix 
it now twice and both times it started acting up soon afterwards. So I am 
thinking that the problem might be in the physical phone rather than the line. 
That would call for buying a new phone. If I buy a new phone I am thinking that 
it might be about time for me to get myself into the twenty-first century like 
everyone else and give up my land line for a cell phone as my only phone. But 
if I do that I am going into it blind in more ways than just that my eyes don't 
work. I have been wanting a smart phone for a long time because I am fascinated 
by the many and varied cool things that one can do with them, but they are 
expensive and I don't trust myself to be able to learn using a touch screen 
very well. I always have been a lot better at learning things that you know 
than I have been at learning things you do. That is why I used to be able to 
take a lab and lecture
        course and ace the lecture and nearly flunk the lab. I know that there 
are a lot of choices that are not smart phones too and some that actually have 
buttons. I think I could get along much better with buttons. But I don't know a 
lot about all the choices that are available and which work better for a blind 
person. Most of the people I know are so sight oriented that they can't imagine 
a blind person working any device. So does anyone on this list have any advice? 
Do any of you use a cell phone yourselves? If so, can you say something about 
why it was a good choice for you and how much it costs and anything else you 
might have to say about it?


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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something
were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a 
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the 
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory 
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the 
courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize 
that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin 
D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept






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