Okay, I'll give you a rational answer. The problem with allah doing what
you point to is that allah is not omnipotent. Allah is only a fairy tale
character. What makes this rational is that to believe in the reality of
fairy tale characters is irrational. Now, speaking of rationality and
logic, I have been meaning to respond to an earlier message from you. At
the time I had concentrated on another part of your message and did not
get around to this part of it. You said that the existence of a deity is
logical because everything that exists must have a creator. Let's stop a
moment to look at what logic is. Logic is an information processing
algorithm. One takes two or more pieces of information and process them
with logic and one gets another piece of information that had not been
there before. With that in mind let's look at the syllogism you were
implying. Everything that exists must have a creator. The universe
exists. Therefor the universe has a creator. That is the simplest of
syllogisms in formal logic. It is flawlessly logical. However, the
logical algorithm works just as well with false information as it does
with correct information. I strongly suspect that your first premise is
false information. That is the premise that everything that exists must
have a creator. How do you know that is true? I suppose that you might
come up with another syllogism to arrive at that premise, but then I
would have to question the premises in the second syllogism. Ultimately,
no matter how logical your argument it is necessary to provide some
evidence for the premises. So how do you know that everything that
exists must have a creator. Please provide an answer that has something
to do with it being true. If you cannot come up with a reason to believe
it then your claim has as much validity as the claim that a paisley
unicorn is orbiting Jupiter in a tea cup.
On 8/13/2017 12:58 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello, on each Sunday morning, fellow Congregationalists gather to worship. In the Koran, there is a chapter called chapter of Mary. It is numbered the nineteenthin a typical Koranic index. At its inception, allah mentions when prophet Zechariah peace be upon him desperately implored to his Lord in seclusion. He said, my Lord, my bones have become feeble and my head has flamed with grey hair, and my Lord, I have been never disappointed with my prayer to you. And, I have been frightened with the dependants after me and my spouse has been barren, so grant me with you a grace an heir. Shall he inherit me and inherit from the house of Jacob, and make him my Lord pleasing. Oh Zechariah, we give you the glad tidings of a boy named John, a name We have never been given before. He said, my Lord, how can I have a son, when my spouse is barren, and I have become decrepit with old age. He said, It will be so, your Lord says, it is easy for me, and I created you before, when you were nothing. He said, my Lord, give me a sign, he said, your sign that you shall not speak to people for three nights consecutively. And he came out to his people from the sanctuary and signaled to them, glorify in the morning and evening. Oh John, hold the scripture firmly and We gave him wisdom in his youth. And tenderness from Us, and innocence. He was devout. And he was dutiful to his parents, and he was not disobedient, tyrant. And peace be upon him the day he was born, the day he dies and the day he is raised alive. And mention in the Scripture Mary, when she withdrew from her people to an eastern place. She screened herself away from them, and We sent to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as an immaculate human. She said, I take refuge from you to the Most Merciful, should you be righteous. He said, I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you the gift of a pure son. She said, how can I have a son when no man has touched me and I was never unchaste. He said, thus said your Lord, It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy from Us. The matter was predetermined. So she carried him, and secluded herself with him in a remote place. Laborpains came upon her by the trunk of a palmtree. She said, I wish I had died before this and been completely forgotten. Whereupon he called her from beneath her, shall not you grieve, your Lord has placed a stream beneath you. And shake the trunk of the palmtree towards you and it will drop on you edible dates. So eat,drinkand be consoled. If you see any human, say, I have vowed a fast to the Most Gracious, so I will not speak to any human today. Then she came to her people carrying him, they said, oh Mary, you truly have done something terrible. Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not wicked nor your mother was unchaste. So she pointed to him, they said, how can we speak to an infant in the crib. He said, I indeed am the servant of Allah, He has given me the scripture and made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wherever I may be, and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live. And deutiful to my mother, and hasn’t made me disobedient, rebel. So Peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I get resurrected alive. This is indeed Jesus son of Mary, the sentiment of truth upon which they tend to dispute. Truly, Allah is my and your Lord, so worship Him. This is basically the straight path. The Koran then says, and factions have dissented from among them, so woe to those who disbelieved from the scene of a great day. Each and every denomination has its rendition of who Jesus was. However, Islam presents to the sincere seeker a plain portrait of his genuine account. I am not destined to relentlessly argue. Each and every individual is perfectly autonomous. I am not urging the provoke of a uselessly theological debate. I am just presenting, without stereotypic notion, the Islamic version of the Nativity tale. There are major factors to consider. First, the Islamic story demonstrates in clear terms, Allah’s illimitable measurelessly Omnipotence. Second, it enormously honours both Zechariah and John whom Christians call the Baptist as equally, notable prophets. Third, it plainly honours Mary and it righteously recognises her unparalleled celibacy. Fourth, it recognises the Nativity tale while scrupulously maintaining plain monotheism, exalting the divine from bearing a son. Fifth and ultimately, it emphatically exonerates virtuous Mary from the intolerable allegation Jews wrongfully impeached her with. I urge the recipient of this post to carefully ponder, I do not urge you to hasten. I am a caller to Islam. I at the end, want to ask you one simple question. This question demands a clear and a straightforward answer. If Allah is providentially Omnipotent, what is the problem with Him procreating offspring from a decrepitly aged man and a barren woman? Similarly, if Allah’s Omnipotence is measureless,what is the problem with Him procreating offspring from a virgin, and without any masculine intervention? I believe that this question is rationally valid and it therefore demands a logical answer. I again, do not hasten anyone to instantly respond. I just am urging you to think properly. Here is Bob greeting you, peace, blessings and much respect from me.
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