Until grades (not bagrut scores, but actual class grades) are a meaningful criterion in determining army placement and university admissions, students will have no problem justifying their own laziness. ----- Original Message ---- From: laurie ornstein <laurenmadeline@xxxxxxxxx> To: Ask_Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx>; etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:22:47 AM Subject: [etni] school grades In response to Kathi's comments, I have also had kids come out with higher final school grades than their "matkonet" exam grade due to outstanding project work. This has happened many times in the past and in my 11th grade class this year. Sadly, by the time the kids are seniors, too many of them make a turn-around and do the minimum. Sigh... Laurie