[jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between landmarks
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:05:31 +1100
AMen to the below!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Snowbarger" <Snowman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 2:34 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
landmarks
> Yep, I understand, and have seen all these things too.
> The one thing I miss, when not using it, is the ability to use control+i
> to
> browse all the builtins, and get prompted on the parameter list, plus the
> ability to jump from one function to the next with f2.
> And, because I have become spoiled with my script manager scripts, and
> their
> if, endif, matching capability, and all the rest, I need to translate that
> to my favorite editor. Yet another job that just hasn't gotten done yet.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Lee" <doug.lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:25 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
> landmarks
>
>
> For what it's worth, I almost never use the Script Manager at all.
> Reasons include:
>
> - It scrambles jsd files around sometimes, which creates massive and
> meaningless deltas in version control systems.
>
> - It includes entries in jsd files for overridden functions, whose
> definitions need to be looked up in the jsd file for the jss where
> they are originally defined, or in builtin.jsd, whichever applies.
>
> - It sometimes places key assignments in the Desktop or Laptop layout
> sections of a jkm file when I want them in the Common Keys section;
> so I have to edit the jkm manually anyway.
>
> - Writing a jkm file by hand is not very difficult in the first place.
>
> - Writing a jsd file by hand is not really tough either, though it
> does involve more effort than a jkm file.
>
> - For public projects that must support a large number of JAWS
> versions, it's nice to keep the script files somewhere outside of
> JAWS folders, then compile them in various JAWS versions from there.
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Jim Snowbarger wrote:
> I ran into this very same problem yesterday, As don describes, where
> script
> manager kept forcing the jkm back to the original assignment. I still
> can't
> figure out where the heck script manager is keeping that information.
> After getting my jkm scrambled several times, and having to fix it
> manually,
> I finally made a copy of it, in case it happened again, and started the
> practice Don describes.
> Does anybody know where the heck Script manager is storing that original
> assignment?
> I thought the JKM was the master.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:20 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
> landmarks
>
>
> I think part of your problem in manually assigning keys is the order it
> is done. This may be overkill, but I do the following to make sure
> Script Manager is not confused. Remember, it keeps several files in sync.
> First, I write the basic script in Script Manager. I make sure to
> provide all of the info, including an unused dummy assigned key
> combination, in the Script Information dialog (Control + d). Save and
> compile with Control + s and then exit Script Manager. Yes, I
> temporarily close Script Manager!
>
> Then open the .jkm key map file and make the desired changes. In this
> case, adding the layered syntax. Save and close the file.
>
> Now when you open Script Manager again, it loads the correct data and is
> not confused. I used to keep both open at the same time, and each time
> I recompiled my scripts, it would change the key map file back to the
> original.
>
> *Don Marang*
> Vinux Package Development Coordinator - vinuxproject.org
> <http://www.vinuxproject.org/>
>
>
> On 11/17/2012 1:39 PM, Travis Roth wrote:
>> It sounds like you followed the correct protocol.
>> JAWSKey+Space&m is by default a select to mark scrip by JAWS.
>> Usually a .jkm file will override the default key assignments for that
>> app.
>> So you may have uncovered a bug/feature that multi-layer keys cannot be
>> overridden?
>> Key assignments can only be made to scripts, not functions.
>> (Btw it appears jawskey+space&n is not bound to anything...)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of L?onie Watson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:08 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Thanks Sina. I've edited the firefox.jkm file in a text editor to add the
>> following:
>>
>> JawsKey+Space&m=MoveToMain
>>
>> Where MoveToMain is the name of my script. I've saved the .jkm file and
>> recompiled my firefox.jss file (just for completeness). The firefox.jss
>> file
>> includes the following:
>>
>> Script MoveToMain ()
>> MoveToTagWithAttribute (s_top, "main", "role", true) SayMessage
>> (OT_MESSAGE,
>> "Start of main content area", "Main content area") EndScript
>>
>> When I try this, Jaws says "Set a temporary place marker with Control +
>> Windows + k, then you can select between that place and your current
>> location".
>>
>> I'm wondering if the layered keystroke should be attached to a function,
>> rather than a script? That seems a bit inspecific though. Otherwise, I'm
>> completely mystified now. Any ideas?
>>
>> L?onie.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>> Sent: 17 November 2012 17:45
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Sure, so, the general JKM format is simply the first standard keystroke
>> combination for the layer, followed by the second or third with ampersand
>> characters delimiting them per layer.
>>
>> Here's a single layer in the form of the flexible web dialog:
>>
>> JAWSKey+Space&X=DoFlexibleWebDialog
>>
>> If you want multiple layers, for example, let's say you want to make
>> yourself a little test environment or sandbox layer to just put all your
>> keystrokes in without polluting the rest of the namespace, then you can
>> do
>> multiple layers like the below OCR example:
>>
>> JAWSKey+Space&O&W=RecognizeRealWindow
>>
>> I hope that helps.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> Website: www.SinaBahram.com
>> Twitter: @SinaBahram
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of L?onie Watson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:34 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Thanks Sina. Agree avoiding Jaws key m is a good idea.
>>
>> Could you tell me how to bind a script to a layered keystroke though? I
>> can't seem to do it using the create script dialogue. It recognises
>> Insert
>> +
>> space, but not the layered m.
>>
>> I haven't been able to find anything about layered keystrokes in the help
>> manual (yet), or by Googling.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> L?onie.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>> Sent: 15 November 2012 21:16
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> insert+space is layered, so you'll have to express it that way, not just
>> insert+as insert+space. I think some others will respond though,
>> so I'll check back to make sure you're good on this, if it doesn't work
>> for
>> you. be careful of stuff like jawsKey+m, as that can map to
>> priorCharacter
>> in laptop layout.
>>
>>
>>
>> Website: www.SinaBahram.com
>> Twitter: @SinaBahram
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of L?onie Watson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:42 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Thanks Sina and Travis. I've been experimenting with that function, but
>> I'm
>> having some trouble getting it to work.
>>
>> I'm currently using it to create a shortcut to move to the <body>
>> element,
>> since I know that should be in Jaws' list of tags. I've added a script to
>> the firefox.jss file, and from within it I've called that function.
>>
>> Script MoveToMain ()
>> MoveToTag (s_top, "body")
>> EndScript
>>
>> It's currently bound to Jaws key + m as a keystroke. I've compiled the
>> script, checked the keyboard manager to confirm the keystroke is tied to
>> the
>> script, and tested it in Firefox.
>>
>> Guessing I'm missing something obvious. Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>> On a related note, Sina suggested binding it to Jaws key + space, m. I
>> don't
>> seem to be able to replicate that keystroke in the key assignment field
>> of
>> the create script dialogue though. It recognises the Jaws key + space,
>> but
>> not the additional keystroke.
>>
>> L?onie.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Travis Roth
>> Sent: 15 November 2012 00:06
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Hi,
>> JAWS has a MoveToTag() function.
>> You could try something like
>> MoveToTag (s_top, "main")
>>
>> I am not sure if JAWS loads any tag it finds into its tag list, or only
>> officially recognized HTML tags, but you could try and find what
>> happens...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of L?onie Watson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:59 PM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Modifying Jaws script for navigating between
>> landmarks
>>
>> Good evening,
>>
>>
>> I'd like to create a proof of concept script for Jaws. It's to
>> demonstrate
>> how Jaws might support a new HTML5 element that's been proposed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think there are two possible options. Either to modify the script that
>> handles navigation between landmarks on web pages with the semi colon
>> quick
>> nav key, or to write a new script that introduces a new quick nav key
>> based
>> on the proposed element.
>>
>>
>>
>> A potential catch is that this new element doesn't exist yet, so there is
>> no
>> browser support for it. Jaws would need to take it from the HTML because
>> no
>> information will be available via the browser's accessibility API.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this is something that's likely to be browser specific, Firefox is my
>> preferred browser for developing this proof of concept functionality.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm an occasional Jaws scripter, but it's been a long time since I used
>> it
>> in anger. I'd appreciate any advice on the best approach to take,
>> scripts/functions I would need to modify, and any pitfalls I should be
>> aware
>> of.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've searched the list archives (and will keep trying), but if there is
>> existing information around this anywhere, links and/or reading material
>> happily received as well. Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> L?onie.
>>
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