The 5th generation LG prototype receiver that we tested 18 months ago is the best by quite a margin as far as reception in a multipath environment. It was NOT as robust by far as any 1999 COFDM receiver we ever tried. And as far as I know 8-VSB is still limited to 19.34 Mbps. Any COFDM receiver we ever tried was more robust at a higher data rate than 8-VSB is capable of in 2005. Bob Miller Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >Bob Miller wrote: > > > >>But COFDM DVB-T was more robust at a higher bit rate >>than possible with 8-VSB in 2000 as demonstrated by >>Sinclair at the Hearings. 19.76 Mbps with a mobile >>antenna while 8-VSB was only up to 19.34 Mbps in a >>fixed position with a directional antenna. >> >> > >First of all, more recent comparison tests do not paint >this picture across the board, and even these more >recent tests are a couple of years old or more. You >keep harking back to 1999, which of course is pointless. > >I refer you back to the CRC comparison tests documented >in the September 2003 issue of IEEE Transactions on >Broadcasting, and then keep in mind what 8-VSB >receivers have done since then when you read their >results. This was the test where they added in the >effect of on-channel repeaters. But they also did a >comparison before introducing the OCRs. > >I also refer you to the numbers documented in FCC >05-199 we saw yesterday, which are pretty hard for >COFDM at 3.3 b/s/Hz (aside from echo tolerance). And >to the numbers recommended in A/74 vs Nordig. > >But without getting bogged down in this incessant >debate, the simple fact remains that the significant >effort in 8-VSB is going to maintain a high spectral >efficiency while increasing robustness. That's the real >push, not E8VSB. Instead, in France and the UK, they >are doing whatever it takes to get up to somewhere >close to 3.3 b/s/Hz, in order to support HD. Their >main handicap is the low power they want to transmit. > >So the inflexibility of 8-VSB is not an issue. Because >reducing the bit rate to increase robustness is not >where the world of TV broadcasting seems to be going. > >Bert > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.