[opendtv] Re: Truthiness 2
- From: John Willkie <johnwillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:09:45 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
In the words of the immortal Bob Marley "Catch A Fire" In the words of the
less than immortal Patti Smith "When will you be landing?"
If you ever had the opportunity to talk to Merrill Weiss, I find it hard to
believe that he would even indirectly support anything more than your right to
argue your position. One could even argue, were any of your views rational,
that you are defaming Mr. Weiss.
Last I checked, he was a consultant to Tribune Broadcasting. He did the work
to get all the DTV stations on Mt. Wilson. I suspect that you aren't very
familiar with Ira Goldstone of Tribune and his views on COFDM. Let me give you
a brief snippet.
An acqaintance of mine explained how he was once at a dinner? meeting? where
he sat between Mark Aitken and Mr. Goldstone, the companies of both who were
important to his employer. This was at the height of the modulation debate.
Despite the heated discussion, all left the meeting without deep scars.
It might be time for me to return to lurking. I've probably said too much.
But, to not oppose your nonsense seems to me to be an act of negligence.
Note: I'm not opposed to the idea of permitting COFDM in the U.S. I am
critical of the non-broadcast nature of the current implementations, and aware
of the work needed to make it happen here.
Another note: the needed COFDM into 8-VSB and NTSC interference studies I once
spoke of here are being done -- by the NAB and MSTV. I suspect you will engage
in conspiracy theories to cover up your failure to be the first in this very
important (to your stated desires) requirement.
John Willkie
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bob Miller <bob@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2006 11:46 PM
>To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [opendtv] Re: Truthiness 2
>
>Manfredi, Albert E wrote:
>
>>Tom Barry wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mr. Weiss claims the broadcasters are not well represented
>>>at the ATSC, which is instead dominated by CE manufacturers.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Unlike Bob, I didn't see anything earthshaking, new, or revealing in any
>>of this. Seems to me we have hashed over all the points Mr. Weiss made
>>more than once. Matter of fact, I don't want to spend the time going
>>through the points one by one, but he does go over the tradeoff
>>questions for mobile vs fixed service fairly well, I thought. There are
>>tradeoffs involved. Optimize for one, you are suboptimal for the other.
>>Meaning, lower bit rate and/or higher cost.
>>
>>The business about AVC vs MPEG-2 is nothing new. The issues have been
>>known from day 1. Changing any standard in an open system is always
>>going to be difficult. And the ATSC standard per se never prevented
>>anyone from updating the codec.
>>
>>But on the point of ATSC representation, uuuh, aren't there far more
>>broadcasters out there than CE vendors? If the broadcasters aren't
>>represented adequately at the ATSC, whose fault is that?
>>
>>
>>
>>>But that might imply the CE guys are responsible for keeping
>>>us using 8vsb for some reason.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Obviously not the case, right? If any single non-governmental
>>organization can be considered responsible for retention of 8-VSB, that
>>would have to be the NAB. But for the zillionth time, that's water under
>>the bridge, and it's time to move on or do something else for a living.
>>Seriously, I mean that.
>>
>>Bert
>>
>>
>No Bert, seriously it is time to change modulations.
>
>I didn't say I saw anything earth shattering. It is just refreshing to
>have someone who was there saying what happened and setting us up for
>the fall that he implies OTA is going to take unless broadcasters do what?
>
>Take charge and demand changes like modulation and codec? Yes I will buy
>that. It is insane to think that we are going to see broadcasters use
>MPEG2 for one SD channel and use the rest of their spectrum for MPEG4.
>Though I have been predicting that this is what will happen secretly I
>thought that at some point THIS CONVERSATION might start and lead to
>serious consideration of doing the right thing.
>
>That would be switching to a DVB-T level or better modulation and an
>MPEG4 AVC level codec or better.
>
>I have met a lot of very interesting people since getting involved with
>broadcast spectrum. A lot of really smart people. A lot of smart
>engineers most of which had their lips zipped on the modulation issue
>for the record anyway. A lot of broadcasters who knew better as to 8-VSB
>but who said Bob what can we do.
>
>But I have only met one person who I consider really ignorant as to what
>the issues of the DTV transition were and that is Gary Shapiro of the
>CEA. All you have to do is look at who he gives medals to to understand
>his agenda. Sort of like the Bush Freedom medal awards. The more you
>screw up the bigger your medal.
>
>Bob Miller
>
>
>
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