>I never denied it. But the press release you cited had nothing to do with satellite distribution directly to viewers...it was a backhaul agreement. So Echostar was providing backhaul? Here's an interesting analysis of why they failed (see the reference to beating Moore's Law - applies to the increase in speed of landline broadband too, as well as the failure of their GeoBox) http://gradcenter.marlboro.edu/~dmaynard/foundations/geocast_evaluation.html And here's a press release for their use of Echostar (NOT for backhaul like you keep saying - like I said they changed business plans faster than I change underwear -- cable, dbs and dtv were their intended distribution platforms) http://www.broadbandweek.com/news/0011/0011_news_geocast.htm Your opinion is not fact, fortunately. >> >>>with a multi-channel DBS service it might fly... >> >>Well it wasn't, and it isn't, and it failed, so moot point. >Yes it failed for all the reasons we have been discussing. Echostar isn't a multi-channel DBS service? Thanks for proving me right. >I am talking about content. But not just traditional linear entertainment content. And the DBS services are not going to use data broadcasts for traditional linear entertainment...they already have hundreds of channels of this stuff. They are going to use it for the same kinds of services I have been advocating. local weather on demand, news capsules, guides, etc. AND they are going to use it to deliver targeted ads to individual subscribers, including ads that are localized to their communities. The web is non-linear. No-one wants web content over databroadcast links. Everything you list can be had by opening a web browser - so none of them are killer applications. And none of them will convince a company to roll out a service or potential users to pay extra for it. >This is not a discussion about cool technology. It is a discussion about the actions of entrenched players who are working overtime to extend the life of a dying legacy product, while simultaneously slowing the evolution to new, more effective ways to enhanced digital communications. I must be missing something since we've worked on systems for some of those 'entrenched players' and a lot were abandoned due to no revenue model being present. Who exactly are these entrenched players? >No, Akamai did not solve anything. They just used available technology to overcome the limitations of the existing infrastructure. This is an intermediate step that will largely go away, when all caching moves to the edges of the network. But it does I don't know how to even respond to that one. So they solved nothing but solved the infrastructure limitations. They provide edge caching servers but they will go away when caching moves to the edge. Err, ok. >>ITFS is not being used for datacasting. >Correct it is being used to deliver linear analog video content to analog VCRs, where the content is cached for later playback...same concept using legacy technology. Haha so now a VCR is a content cache? Wow, you are stretching yourself pretty far on that one for an excuse to legitimize your wild claims. :) >>Emergency >>services can and are being deployed over ATSC. >Can you provide an example? Attempting to be as generic as possible - http://www.cedmagazine.com/ced/2004/0204/02e.htm Cheers Kon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.