[slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
- From: "Gordan Radic" <gordan.radic@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:09:48 +0100
Pozdrav, Slavek.
Ne znam jesmo li se najbolje razumjeli, ali pokusat cu razjasniti svoja
zapazanja.
Kad se skenira cijela povrsina otvorene knjige, znaci dvije stranice
istovremeno, s ukljucenom opcijom za razdvajanje dvostrukih stranica, skener
ce ih razdvojiti, i prepoznavanjem teksta ce Fine Reader sasvim jasno
utvrditi pravac teksta, sto bi se na engleskom reklo Page orientation.
No, iako je jako dobar i stvarno dobro radi posao, Fine Reader ipak nije
dovoljno pametan da prepozna redoslijed stranica.
Smatram da je problem u tome sto ih zbog olaksanog prepoznavanja prvo
razdvoji, a tek onda radi prepoznavanje. Ako knjiga nije pravilno
postavljena, desna stranica ce u listi biti ubacena prije lijeve, a time se
poremecuje kompletan redoslijed knjige.
I ja radim s Canonom, Lide 35 modelom, pa vjerujem da je osnova skenera ista
te da opticka glava ima isti pravac kretanja. Predlazem da napravis test na
nacin da uzmes neku knjizicu sa dobro istaknutim brojevima stranica i
postavis je u skener uz lijevi rub, debljom stranom prema tipkama.
Ukljuci podjelu duplih stranica, detektiranje orijentacije i landscape u
scanner settingsima.
Na ovaj nacin bi trebao dobiti ispravan redoslijed.
E, sad.. Sa istim settingsima zarotiraj knjigu u skeneru za 180 i pokusaj
ponovo i vidi hoces li dobiti isti rezultat.
Regards
G
ICQ #274696026
----- Original Message -----
From: "Slavko Kovac" <slavko.kovac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
> Kod mene ta opcija radi posve korektno. Imam skener Kenon Lide 500F i
> Finereader 7.0.
> Slavek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gordan Radic" <gordan.radic@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:10 PM
> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>
>
> Ne bih se slozio, Slavek.
> Meni je ta opcija ukljucena, dapace, ukljucena je i po defaultu, no i ja i
> jos par ljudi koje znam su znali dobiti cik cak rezultate ako bi krivo
> okrenuli knjigu.
> Regards
> G
>
> ICQ #274696026
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Slavko Kovac" <slavko.kovac@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:21 PM
> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>
>
>> Ja bih samo dodao da ako u Finereaderu namjestis automatsko okretanje=20
>> stranica onda je svejedno kako ces okrenuti stranicu, mozes i naopako
>> jer=
>> ce=20
>> je program sam ispravno okrenuti. jedino je potrebno stranicu knjige
>> dobr=
>> o=20
>> poravnati uz jedan bilo koji rub i dobro priljubiti stranice uz staklo.
>> Slavek
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "Gordan Radic" <gordan.radic@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:11 AM
>> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>>
>>
>> Pozdrav, Igore.
>> Sad stvarno ne bih znao reci napamet, jer u zadnje vrijeme radim sa
>> skenerima kojima citac ide od dugmadi prema kabelima, a kod tebe je
>> obrnu=
>> t
>> slucaj.
>> Pretpostavljam da bi trebao knjigu namjestiti uz gornji desni kut
>> skenera=
>> , i
>> to na nacin ako je otvorena na pocetku da je tanja polovica postavljena
>> prema dugmadi, tj. da opticki citac prvo predje preko deblje polovice,
>> pr=
>> ema
>> tanjoj.
>> U Fine Readerovim optionsima, pod stavkama za skener treba obavezno
>> ukljuciti 'Split dual pages', a bilo bi dobro da i u scanner settings,
>> ko=
>> ji
>> se nalazi na istom tabu Paper size prebacis na Custom, a upises tocnu,
>> odnosno radi sigurnosti za centimetar povecanu dimenziju knjige kad je
>> otvorena. Time ces smanjiti vrijeme skeniranja, jer ce glava imati nesto
>> manji put prilikom citanja i skratiti ukupno vrijeme.
>> Sljedeci savjet, koji isto moze skratiti vrijeme samog skeniranja je da
>> p=
>> rvo
>> odskeniras sve stranice, a tek ih onda das programu na prepoznavanje.
>> Znaci, ne ides na Scan and Read multiple pages, nego samo na Scan
>> multipl=
>> e
>> pages, kratica na tastaturi je CTRL + Shift + K, barem u Fine Readeru 7.
>> Tek kad sve sto ti treba odskeniras, onda pronadjes u Process menju
>> opcij=
>> u
>> Read All Pages (CTRL + Shift + R) i naredis programu da to sve zajedno
>> procita, a ti odes na pice s frendovima:).
>> Dobro, sad sam malo oduzio i na ono sto me nisi pitao, no nema veze.
>> Samo=
>> cu
>> jos jednom ponoviti da je ono oko pravca knjige moja pretpostavka, te da
>> =
>> bi
>> bilo najbolje to istestirati prakticno, pa se uz videcu pomoc ili
>> orijentaciju prema brojevima stranica uvjeriti slaze li Fine Reader u
>> bat=
>> ch
>> stranice pravilno ili u cik-cak.
>> Regards
>> G
>>
>> ICQ #274696026
>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>> From: "igor" <igor@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:09 AM
>> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>>
>>
>>> GORDANE DOBIO SAM UPUTE ZA FINE READER SAMO SAM MISLIO DA MI KA=AEETE
>>> PRAVILNO
>>> POSTAVLJANJE KNJIGA NA SKENER
>>> OSTALO JE VJEROVATNO KAO I KOD DRUGIH STVARI RAD I SAMO RAD PA =C6E SVE=
>> LE=C6I
>>> NA SVOJE
>>>
>>> IGOR
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: "Gordan Radic" <gordan.radic@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:17 PM
>>> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pozdrav svima na ovoj temi i sire, odgovaram Igoru, no nije mi se dalo
>>>> traziti njegov mail pa evo saljem reply preko zadnjeg koji je stigao.
>>>> Skeniranje knjiga u Fine Readeru, kad se malo uhodas, nije uopce tesko=
>> .
>>>> No,
>>>> za uhodavanje ipak treba napisati odredjeni tekst s uputama, a za to s=
>> ad
>>>> nazalost nemam vremena. Mislim da je listom kruzio neki prirucnik za
>>>> koristenje Fine Readera, pa ako ovo procita mozebitni vlasnik, apelira=
>> o
>>>> bih
>>>> na njega da ti pripomogne oko toga.
>>>> No, ono sto je bitnije, a to je treci korak, nakon samog skeniranja i
>>>> prepoznavanja teksta je ispravljanje skeniranog teksta. Programi za
>>>> opticko
>>>> prepoznavanje cesto rade greske izmedju malog slova l i velikog slova =
>> I,
>>>> w
>>>> (dvostruko v) ce ako se u optionsima ne postavi dual language ce
>>>> prepoznati
>>>> kao dva obicna slova v, y ce isto tako pretvoriti u malo slovo v, kod
>>>> loseg
>>>> skena, ako knjiga nije dobro prislonjena na staklo ce malo slovo k
>>>> prepoznati kao slova l i c i jos puno, puno finesa.
>>>> Oko ispravljanja ti stvarno zelim srecu i nadam se da imas celicne ziv=
>> ce
>>>> i
>>>> strpljenje, jer nije nimalo lak posao.
>>>> Regards
>>>> G
>>>>
>>>> ICQ #274696026
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: "Zlatko Sobo=E8an" <sobocan@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "SliKom (Lista)" <slikom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [slikom] Re: pravilno postavljanje stranice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Pozdrav svima,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ovo je tocno uz nekoliko napomena:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Od svih ovdje nabrojenih i nenabrojenih OCR softvera, jedino
>>>>> FineReader
>>>>> za
>>>>> nase jezike ima podrsku za kodni raspored i hrvatski, kao i srpski
>>>>> Spellchecker (provjeru pravopisa i pravilno napisane rijeci).
>>>>>
>>>>> * Cicero ima kodnu podrsku za nas kodni raspored, ali mu je engine
>>>>> Recognita
>>>>> 5 i nema spellchecker za nase jezike. Recognita 5 je bila aktuelna
>>>>> 2000./2001. godine.
>>>>>
>>>>> * OmniPage Pro i Text Bridge odlicno prepoznaju tekst, ali na njega
>>>>> primjenjuju USA spellchecker. Konacni rezultat skeniranja je na razin=
>> i
>>>>> FineReadera 4 ili Recognite 4.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Openbook ima neku gresku u kodnom rasporedu CE-1250 i nema hrvatski
>>>>> spellchecker, pa je konacni rezultat skeniranja dosta mrsav.
>>>>>
>>>>> * Kurzweil je odlican OCR program uz napomenu da njegova najnovija
>>>>> verzija
>>>>> ima engine od FineReadera 6 i nema nas spellchecker. Konacni rezultat=
>> je
>>>>> ispod rezultata skeniranja FineReadera 6. Najnovija verzija FineReade=
>> ra
>>>>> je
>>>>> 8.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ima jos napomena, ali da ne zamaram.
>>>>> FineReader je trenutno najbolji OCR program za nase jezike, pristupac=
>> an
>>>>> je
>>>>> svim citacima ekrana, jednostavan je za koristenje i po cijeni je
>>>>> prihvatljiv.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lijep pozdrav,
>>>>>
>>>>> Zlatko
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Originalna poruka -----=20
>>>>> =A9alje: "Gradimir Kragic" <bastono@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Poslano: 21. sije=E8anj 2007 5:03
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zdravo Igore, zdravo svima,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Da ja malo zakomplikujem stvar i tebi i drugim. Ovo sto ti je
>>>>>> Gordan
>>>>>> odgovorio je uredu a odnosi se kada skeniras sliku. Kod skeniranja
>>>>>> teksta
>>>>>> i
>>>>>> njegovog prepoznavanja stvar je nesto drugacija. Vjerovatno da ce ti
>>>>>> Gordan
>>>>>> jos pisati a ja sam prihvatio poziv na Skype za vise detalja u vezi
>>>>>> Fine
>>>>>> Readera. Komplikacija sa moje strane je sledeca. Mi uglavnom govorim=
>> o o
>>>>>> programu Fine Reader za skeniranje knjiga odnosno tekstova. Taj prog=
>> ram
>>>>>> kao
>>>>>> i drugi programi su se rasirili zahvaljuci sledecim cinjenicama:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Da je dobar program i pristupacan korisnicima JAWS-a.
>>>>>> 2. Da je moguce njegovo instaliranje zahvaljuci krekovanju, mada mu =
>> je
>>>>>> cijena manja od 100 Eura.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Postoji mnogo drugih programa koji su se koristili ili se korist=
>> e.
>>>>>> Evo
>>>>>> kako izgleda lista tih drugih programa koji su se koristili ili se
>>>>>> koriste.
>>>>>> Ovo tek da se zna da postoje i druga rjesenja. Slijedi lista od 19
>>>>>> programa. Uskoro o ovim programima vise detalja na web portalu sliko=
>> m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nazalost tekst je na Engleskom jeziku.
>>>>>> 1. CICERO TEXT READER
>>>>>> Cicero Text Reader is a reading machine program designed for us=
>> e
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> individuals who are blind or have low vision. This reading machine
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> uses optical character recognition (OCR) to turn a personal or lapto=
>> p
>>>>>> computer connected to a scanner into ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. COMPLETE READING SYSTEM
>>>>>> The Complete Reading System is a voice output optical character
>>>>>> recognition program designed for use by individuals who are blind or
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> low vision. This OCR program is easy to use, since most of its
>>>>>> functions
>>>>>> can be activated with a press of a sing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. EXTREME READER (MODEL ER-1)
>>>>>> Extreme Reader, model ER-1, is an optical character recognition
>>>>>> (OCR)
>>>>>> device designed for use by individuals who are blind or who have low
>>>>>> vision. This device is a stand-alone OCR system designed to convert
>>>>>> printed
>>>>>> text and text stored on compact dis...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. EXTREME READER (MODEL XR-10)
>>>>>> Extreme Reader, model XR-10, is an optical character recognitio=
>> n
>>>>>> (OCR) device designed for use by individuals with blindness or low
>>>>>> vision
>>>>>> or other print disabilities. This stand-alone OCR system converts
>>>>>> printed
>>>>>> text and text stored on compact disks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. EZ VIP READING SYSTEM
>>>>>> The ezVIP Reading System is an optical character recognition
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> combined with a software speech synthesizer designed to convert a
>>>>>> personal
>>>>>> computer with a scanner into a reading machine for individuals who a=
>> re
>>>>>> blind or who have low vision. This ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. KURZWEIL 1000
>>>>>> Kurzweil 1000 is an optical character recognition (OCR) program
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> voice output designed for individuals who are blind or have low visi=
>> on.
>>>>>> This software package runs on a personal computer connected to a
>>>>>> flatbed
>>>>>> scanner. It scans books, magazine ar...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. KURZWEIL 3000 FOR MACINTOSH
>>>>>> Kurzweil 3000 for Macintosh is an optical character recognition
>>>>>> (OCR)
>>>>>> program with voice output designed for use by individuals with learn=
>> ing
>>>>>> disabilities. This software scans documents and reads scanned or
>>>>>> electronic
>>>>>> text aloud using synthetic speec...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7. KURZWEIL 3000 FOR WINDOWS
>>>>>> Kurzweil 3000 for Windows is an optical character recognition
>>>>>> (OCR)
>>>>>> and test program with voice output designed for use by individuals w=
>> ith
>>>>>> dyslexia and other learning disabilities. This OCR software scans
>>>>>> documents
>>>>>> and reads scanned or electronic te...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8. LIBRETTE TURNKEY SYSTEM & LIBRA TURNKEY SYSTEM
>>>>>> The Librette Turnkey System and Libra Turnkey System are person=
>> al
>>>>>> computer systems pre-loaded with optical character recognition (OCR)=
>> ,
>>>>>> screen magnification, web browser, and voice output software, design=
>> ed
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> use by individuals who are blind or hav...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9. OBR OPTICAL BRAILLE RECOGNITION
>>>>>> OBR is an optical Braille recognition program designed for use =
>> by
>>>>>> individuals who are blind or who have low vision. This program reads
>>>>>> Braille characters and converts Braille hard copy into text or
>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>> Braille files. A Braille document is place...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10. OMNIPAGE PRO 14
>>>>>> OmniPage Pro 14 is a voice output optical character recognition
>>>>>> program designed for use by individuals who are blind or have low
>>>>>> vision.
>>>>>> The program converts scanned paper documents into text files in a
>>>>>> variety
>>>>>> of electronic formats, including Word,...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11. OPENBOOK
>>>>>> OpenBook is an optical character recognition (OCR) program
>>>>>> designed
>>>>>> for use by individuals who are blind or have low vision. This scanni=
>> ng
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> reading software enables users to convert print documents or
>>>>>> graphic-based
>>>>>> text into an electronic text for...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12. READING EDGE
>>>>>> The Reading Edge is a voice output reading machine designed for
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> by individuals who are blind or have low vision. This stand-alone
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> machine integrates a bookedge scanner scanning at 300 dots per inch
>>>>>> (dpi),
>>>>>> Xerox Imaging Systems (XIS) propr...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 13. SCAN AND READ LITE & SCAN AND READ PROFESSIONAL
>>>>>> Scan and Read Lite and Scan and Read Professional are optical
>>>>>> character recognition programs designed for use by individuals who a=
>> re
>>>>>> blind or have low vision. The user places a book, magazine, or docum=
>> ent
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a flatbed scanner and presses a key, and w...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 14. SCAN N TALK
>>>>>> Scan N Talk is a voice output reading machine designed for use =
>> by
>>>>>> individuals who are blind or have low vision or learning disabilitie=
>> s.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> reading machine incorporates a Visionaire scanner and optical charac=
>> ter
>>>>>> recognition (OCR), ATT Natural Voice...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 15. SOFTWRITING
>>>>>> SoftWriting is an optical character recognition program designe=
>> d
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> use by individuals with low vision. It enables the user to convert
>>>>>> non-connected handwritten text into a computer text file, such as a
>>>>>> Word
>>>>>> document or standard text document. The s...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 16. TEXT CLONER & TEXT CLONER PROFESSIONAL
>>>>>> Text Cloner and Text Cloner Professional are optical character
>>>>>> recognition programs designed for use by individuals who are blind o=
>> r
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> low vision. These programs are comparable to Scan and Read (see
>>>>>> separate
>>>>>> entry) without an internal voice. They ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 17. TEXTBRIDGE PRO MILLENIUM
>>>>>> TextBridge Pro Millennium is an optical character recognition
>>>>>> (OCR)
>>>>>> program designed for use by individuals who are blind or have low
>>>>>> vision.
>>>>>> This OCR program turns scanned documents into Word files with a high
>>>>>> degree
>>>>>> of accuracy to reduce or elimina...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 18. VIP
>>>>>> VIP is an optical character recognition (OCR) program and low
>>>>>> vision
>>>>>> reading system designed for use by individuals who are blind or have
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> vision. The program scans printed documents, books, and magazines an=
>> d
>>>>>> reads
>>>>>> them aloud. Text also appears on...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 19. WYNN WIZARD & WYNN READER
>>>>>> WYNN Wizard and WYNN Reader are voice output reading machine, w=
>> eb
>>>>>> browser, and optical character recognition (OCR) programs designed f=
>> or
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> by individuals with learning disabilities. These software programs h=
>> elp
>>>>>> individuals with learning disabilitie...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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