On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 04:02:37 AM EDT, Joe Dies
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, accidentally hit send... Complete comments are below.
Ok, coupla things.
A) The distance to gain includes fractions of yards. You aren't "awarded" a
yard until you've gained the entire yard. So if it's (say) 2nd down and 3-1/2
yards to go, it's expressed as "2nd and 4".
So if last night's down and distance was "3rd and 5", and subsequently, after
the incompletion, "4th and 5", that 5 should INCLUDE any fractional yard. ;;B)
regardless of what became of the penalty and a first down... should've gone for
it on 4th and short. The idea that "we need a TD and a FG, might as well get
the FG now " is BS. Going for the FG is another failed drive to take back to
the bench in your head. Besides, with time short, you want to be going for less
distance to get into FG range.
And dammit, if you can't make a yard for a 1st down when you need to, you don't
deserve to win! How many first downs did Brisset get on sneaks? Buckle up your
chinstrap, bury your shoulder, and pump your legs, Mitchell.
Joe
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 09:43:12 AM EDT, Russell Goodman
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I won’t argue this much more, but my point about taking the FG and then going
onside was, I believe, the correct coaching decision. Two comments in response
to what I’ve heard on this: 1) just because the down is “announced” as fourth
and 5 doesn’t mean it’s exactly five yards, so a 5-yard penalty doesn’t
guarantee a first down; 2) those of you arguing simultaneously to go for it on
fourth down and also preserve clock would probably also gripe about either a) a
passing play that potentially fails for a variety of known reasons, or b) a
running play that succeeds and eats up a notable chunk of clock.
The team needed two scores to win. A TD would have been preferable first, but
take your FG, you’ve got to do an onside kick regardless, so get on with it,
and then try to get your TD and get the heck out of town. Tomlin indeed was
playing to win last night, in that scenario.
Boomer Steeler Russ!!
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Since it was a scoring play, shouldn't they had the option to assess the
penalty on the kickoff ? Or is that only for penalties on PATs ?
They would have saved seconds from the clock and tried the onside kick five
yards ahead.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 11:39 PM Joe Dies <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh, forgot to mention... 3rd and FIVE, incomplete... 4th and FIVE, line up for
the FG, FIVE yard penalty... Then:
Line up for FG again, but this time it's 4th and ONE. Hand to God, saw it on
the screen. Even zapped back -- twice -- to make sure.
I didn't finish college, but 4th down and FIVE minus FIVE yard penalty *should*
make the second attempt play 4th and 0, AKA 1st and ten??
Joe
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:12:01 AM EDT, Joe Dies
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok... After the two minute warning, 3rd and 5... Mitch throws incomplete... 4th
and *FIVE*... Steelers line up for a FG... Browns get flagged for 12 men on the
field.
Shouldn't that be a first down by penalty?
Or, if it was a "fat" 5 yards to go, wouldn't it then be 4th and inches? Giving
them a shot at to sneak for the first?
I'm missing something obvious, right? Be gentle with me.
Joe