I'm sure they were sure they could get the first down. But if they go
for it, and pick it up, they still have to run more plays to score.
With only one time out left, how much time do you use getting into the
end zone? Then you also use your last time out and don't get the ball
back at all. Kick the field goal to preserve what time you can and hope
for the best.
Phil
On 09/24/2022 2:47 PM, Joe Dies (oldsrocket455) wrote:
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 04:02:37 AM EDT, Joe Dies <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry, accidentally hit send... Complete comments are below.
Ok, coupla things.
A) The distance to gain includes fractions of yards. You aren't "awarded" a yard until you've gained the entire yard. So if it's (say) 2nd down and 3-1/2 yards to go, it's expressed as "2nd and 4".
So if last night's down and distance was "3rd and 5", and subsequently, after the incompletion, "4th and 5", that 5 should INCLUDE any fractional yard.
;;
B) regardless of what became of the penalty and a first down... should've gone for it on 4th and short. The idea that "we need a TD and a FG, might as well get the FG now " is BS. Going for the FG is another failed drive to take back to the bench in your head. Besides, with time short, you want to be going for less distance to get into FG range.
And dammit, if you can't make a yard for a 1st down when you need to, you don't deserve to win! How many first downs did Brisset get on sneaks? Buckle up your chinstrap, bury your shoulder, and pump your legs, Mitchell.
Joe
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 09:43:12 AM EDT, Russell Goodman <goodmanr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I won’t argue this much more, but my point about taking the FG and then going onside was, I believe, the correct coaching decision. Two comments in response to what I’ve heard on this: 1) just because the down is “announced” as fourth and 5 doesn’t mean it’s exactly five yards, so a 5-yard penalty doesn’t guarantee a first down; 2) those of you arguing simultaneously to go for it on fourth down and also preserve clock would probably also gripe about either a) a passing play that potentially fails for a variety of known reasons, or b) a running play that succeeds and eats up a notable chunk of clock.
The team needed two scores to win. A TD would have been preferable first, but take your FG, you’ve got to do an onside kick regardless, so get on with it, and then try to get your TD and get the heck out of town. Tomlin indeed was playing to win last night, in that scenario.
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Since it was a scoring play, shouldn't they had the option to assess the penalty on the kickoff ? Or is that only for penalties on PATs ?
They would have saved seconds from the clock and tried the onside kick five yards ahead.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2022, 11:39 PM Joe Dies <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh, forgot to mention... 3rd and FIVE, incomplete... 4th and FIVE,
line up for the FG, FIVE yard penalty... Then:
Line up for FG again, but this time it's 4th and ONE. Hand to God,
saw it on the screen. Even zapped back -- twice -- to make sure.
I didn't finish college, but 4th down and FIVE minus FIVE yard
penalty *should* make the second attempt play 4th and 0, AKA 1st
and ten??
Joe
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 12:12:01 AM EDT, Joe Dies
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Ok... After the two minute warning, 3rd and 5... Mitch throws
incomplete... 4th and *FIVE*... Steelers line up for a FG...
Browns get flagged for 12 men on the field.
Shouldn't that be a first down by penalty?
Or, if it was a "fat" 5 yards to go, wouldn't it then be 4th and
inches? Giving them a shot at to sneak for the first?
I'm missing something obvious, right? Be gentle with me.
Joe