So, maybe we will be able to get a demo copy, as perhaps a download, then an activation code? That'd be quite useful. It seems then, when products come from the states, the price gets hiped for us in the UK, but when a product is from Europe, such as TALKS, the states pay the same, it doesn't get reduced for that market - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | It'll probably be tied to your phones seriel number liek Talks and Mobile | Speak does. | | How about anyone that's out there just buy the lot? | | Current exchange rates show that, $2,300 for the lot, phone, talks, software | is about 500 quid cheaper than here. | | Dj Paddy | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Andy Collins" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:09 PM | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | | | > George - I think those us interested in buying from the US, just want the | > software, as it's about £300 cheaper. It appears however that each state | > has | > it's own dealer, and therefore is unlikely they will sell overseas. | > | > What I can't find out is how the software will be licence to prevent | > piracy. | > | > Andy | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:00 PM | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | > | > |I suppose you could try, but with something of that value, I | > | sure as heck would want to make sure that it was fully | > | insured. Of course by doing that, it would have to have a | > | full value commercial shipping invoice with it, and so sure | > | as eggs are eggs, it would get snagged by Customs. | > | | > | Even if it was marked as "Articles for the Bind", you would | > | then need to deal with Customs to explain why. And at the | > | very least, there's a 99% chance you would have to pay Duty | > | & VAT on the telephone itself. | > | | > | Additionally, you may find as I do, that in addition to the | > | shipping cost, you have to pay Airline Handling and Customs | > | Clearance, likely to be around £25 each for those two items | > | alone. | > | | > | There's an interesting article from the Guardian at:- | > | http://tinyurl.com/3e4d8y | > | which warns people about the hidden costs of importing good | > | purchased from abroad. | > | | > | George. | > | | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sunil | > | Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:43 PM | > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | Are there any restrictions on any of us in the UK buying the | > | software from | > | an American dealer? Or would it be worth it once you take | > | into account | > | shipping etc? | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of | > | Ray's Home | > | Sent: 03 February 2008 00:54 | > | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | Well, I've heard all 68 minutes or so of the presentation on | > | the KNFB | > | embedded cell phone reader, and the listening is interesting | > | for more | > | than the obvious reasons. Before I say more, some quick | > | jump to | > | points might be good for those who cannot waite to get to | > | the meat. | > | | > | 23 minutes in givbes you Ray Kurtzveil's intro and future | > | gazing - and | > | he's known as a futureologist. Things like image and object | > | recognition improvements, including, he claims, faces. | > | | > | thirty minutes in or so, main presentation of what the | > | present | > | software does, and demos of it working on text, to | > | tremendous rapture | > | by the audience. | > | | > | 50 minutes: Question time, including cost of software and | > | phone etc. | > | and where Americans can buy. | > | | > | Speaking mostly from emory interesting points are the reader | > | will work | > | in a phone without a screen reader, and one that's not | > | activated. | > | Very good Screen enlargement is also there too for those | > | with some | > | sight,. Good help and keyboard guidance built-in, and | > | presenter | > | believes the reader software should be usable with very | > | minimal | > | training for many if not most people. | > | | > | The phone itself (Nokia n82) measures 4" x 2" x1" thick, and | > | weighs in | > | at 4 oz.in Its said to be very tacktile and the keys more | > | identifiable than many. Sells for $500 or less in the US. | > | Has built | > | in GPS MP3 player, and high quality camera of course. I say | > | all this | > | to give some idea of what those fortunate enough to have the | > | dosh will | > | get in the phone itself. | > | | > | The software, to be much improved on, turns out to cost | > | $1595.00 in | > | the US. Now, here's where we come to that pricing issue | > | again. that | > | would equate to a straight UK conversionof less than | > | ?800.00. So, why | > | cannot we have it for less than ?100.00? Say ?950.00 for | > | reading | > | anywhere! What a sales point that could be for those who | > | can push the | > | poat out? AS opposed to rather more than that, seemingly. | > | | > | Not sure a UK audience or consumers are going to be quite so | > | raptured | > | and take the message to the country as they're encouaged to | > | do in the | > | US! The demo or presentation indeed had more the flavour of | > | a | > | revivalist meeting, with sounding horn, and loads of | > | shrieking and | > | applause. Maybe a sort of primary? Not without good | > | reason! | > | | > | I only wish potential UK buyers had as much to shout about. | > | AS it is | > | the software, as I say, is going for $1595.00, so God knows | > | what the | > | 37 dealers there actually pay for it. Or what our sole | > | distributer | > | pays for it, come to that. I'll bet is less than $1595.00. | > | Okay, so | > | business is about profit; yes, I've got that message. When | > | does | > | profit turn to greed and extortion? Sorry folks, but yes, | > | you can | > | have a marvel of a device here, which can only get better. | > | You'll pay | > | much more dearly for it than folks across the Atlantic. | > | Unlike them | > | too, you won't be accessing a 3 per cent loan to help buy | > | it. That in | > | itself would be a good idea, but not sure why anyone should | > | help | > | bolster an already ludicrus profit margin. | > | | > | Those remarks aside, I do urge anyone who's not heard the | > | launch of | > | the KNFB cell phone reader to go on over to: | > | | > | http://www.blindbargains.com/redirect.php?redirect=2614 | > | | > | And download or simply listen to the file. | > | | > | Cheers, | > | | > | From Ray | > | I can be contacted off-list at: | > | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | > | | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | Steve Nutt | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | | > | Hi Ray, | > | | > | Well James Everson of Sight And Sound is on this list, so I | > | would be | > | very | > | interested in his comments on this. As a reseller of | > | adaptive tech, I | > | too | > | feel this is overpricing, even allowing for overheads. | > | | > | All the best | > | | > | Steve | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | Ray's Home | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | Paul, the 'over-inflated' UK price is more worthy of a post | > | from me! | > | (smile). | > | | > | Think the difference is three or four hundred quid! Presume | > | there's | > | no | > | training being offered if you buy the software alone, as | > | surely some | > | will | > | want to do. So, where exactly is the support and whatever | > | in that? | > | Sure | > | many would like to pay rather less than a thousand quid for | > | the | > | software, if | > | only they could! | > | | > | Wouldn't be so concerned if this was more obviously another | > | leaning on | > | Access to work provision, but we're talking enhancing of | > | dailly living | > | here. | > | This makes it look very like extortion to me. | > | | > | I'd dearly like to see a defence of this, but as we often | > | say here, | > | I'm not | > | holding my breath! | > | | > | Cheers, | > | | > | From Ray | > | I can be contacted off-list at: | > | mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx | > | | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | Paul Leake | > | Subject: [access-uk] Re: More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | | > | an interesting presentation and an intention to continue to | > | develop | > | the | > | product for the future. Pity that the u k price seems over | > | inflated | > | though! | > | | > | Cheers | > | | > | Paul | > | | > | paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > | ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > | Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 5:51 PM | > | Subject: [access-uk] More on KNFB reader for phones | > | | > | | > | > Hi folks, | > | > | > | > Take a look, or should I say a listen, to this file. 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