Yes it seems ridiculous that slight changes to a current version of Firefox etc require them to label that altered version with a major version number rather than the usual decimal point increment. They should have kept to the old convention of only using the next integer when major changes have been implemented.
Steve Gibson from the security now podcasts has commented on this many times and think he is still using Firefox 3.6. Haven't kept track but think they are up to version 14 or something?
anyhow enough of that. Darren.----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:47 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People
The changes in the version numbers of Firefox and Thunderbird are much less than the version numbers themselves really suggest. In the end we probably won't be able to find the version number at all unless we are really determined. This is the way it looks like going with browsers like Google Chrome already.Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren BrewerSent: 16 July 2012 11:32 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People Well I think it's interesting to have new versions with fun names. Makes arefreshing change from windows 7 .. windows 8 ..urm .. wonder what the nextone will be called? Answers on a postcard.Firefox is just crazy .. they bring out a major version every other day andthe same boring numbering system. If Android ever do a version for the elderly it could be called Werners original. Darren. - waiting for a version called fizzy cola bottles as they are his favourite.----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Thacker" <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind PeopleJelly Bean is a nickname for Android 4.1. ~They all seem to be named afterAmerican sweets. What's next? Corn Syrup Surprise? Vince.----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick" <the.big.white.shepherd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:30 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind PeopleHello, Sorry what is this jellybean tell me more please. On 15/07/2012 10:50, william lomas wrote:however jellybean is only really worth it for those with a nexus i find the ICS implementation clunky at best and find nokia and iphone much smoother.it willt take months! for sony to release the jellybean update, whereasthe nexus will receive it instantatinously so what's the point? battery life on an android for me at least is only a couple of hours usageHi Mo, This is an excellent analysis, and pretty much what I said on my podcast. Android is even more accessible with the advent of Jellybean. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: 01438-742286 Mob: 07956334938 Fax: 01438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal Sent: 14 July 2012 15:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People £300? or £150 or what ever it is for a download? have they actually written any applications? the article doesn't say if we can download a demo of the programs available. What if you don't like it once you'vebought it? with mobile accessibility, its obvious what the app does andyou can try it out. And its cheaper. fair enough people have to make some money, but Android is open source and most apps are free and the ones that aren't are low cost and affordable. I thought that, for thatprice we'd have something more than an app that tells us bus times. Andas this phone is marketed at everyone, why don't they provide an overlay if its exclusively touch screen? Maybe they're hoping that we all use our handset of choice and by their software but android is totally accessible as it is! there are plenty of apps to choose from. I have onemy self, if 1 app doesn't work for me i find another one or contact thedeveloper and most times they can make it accessible. what's special about this software? in business terms, the unique selling point? Yes they provide OCR functions, but you could use google goggles for that to an extent. and how good is the OCR? again noone can comment because atrial isn't available! It will have to ad a lot of bells and wistles toan already accessible product to warrant me spending any more money thani already have on mobile accessibility etc. If they have indeed writtena screen reader from scratch, we've already got a choice of 3 screen readers spiel, google talkback, and mobile accessibility. From the following page, it seems that many functions may already have anaccessible app available free of charge. These guys are charging to setthe phone up for you remotely, provide access to specific apps they'veeither written or gotten from the android market, and provide a simplerhome screen as well as standard functions, calling, texting contacts etc. Remote control of a handset could be seen as a privacy risk forsome. This product aims to have a 5 button approach to simplify things,where are the buttons? the phones offered seem to be mainly touch screen, i personally find it slower to use a touch screen as many peoplei know do. if i can make a call to a contact from the stock android appby holding my finger over the contact, why would i need this app? Yes we need phones set up for us, but honestly its not hard at all! there are plenty of online guides and sometimes you can even have the people inthe shop set it up for you. I bought my android handset for £120, i had someone sighted go in to settings and tick accessibility and after thatit was plain sailing. Here is the sight and sound link for anyone that's interested, but this reminds me strongly of the owasys handset or how ever you spell it. I'm very glad i didn't buy it when it was released. i crashed it the first time i used it just by flicking through ringtones too fast! luckily symbian handsets came a long soon after and it was a pleasure to switch. the link is: http://www.sightandsound.co.uk/shop/products.php?product=GEORGIE The product makes no mention of providing functionality to do the following: changing phone settings other than WiFi. email functionality. browsing the android market. access to a web browser. an alarm clock or clock of some kind. a calendar. You may as well buy mobile accessibility, download google maps, download colour recogniser, perhaps download google goggles and have done with it. I've been setting up handsets for people for years and haven'tcharged anything for doing it if its a quick job which most of the timeit is. Mo. On 14/07/2012 15:24, Eleanor Burke wrote:Maybe your friends at Sight & sound, are't they marketing it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind PeopleHi Eleanor Ah, yes, the Owasys! I do remember it. I have to say it's easily forgetable too, a complete rip-off in terms of value for money. I was just curious about the new handset though as, no matter how much voice assistance there is, you are still using a touch-screen from what the article says, and this is the stumbling block for those with dexterity problems, and for those who simply don't want to use a touch-screen. I was really wondering if anyone had come across it so they could say. If it has a place that bridges the gap for some folk, then fine, but it just made me wonder why. I am sure that if anyone is visiting Sight Village, it will be on display at least. Perhaps someone could report back? Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 14 July 2012 14:59 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People Well Jackie I don't know any more than yourself but do you recall thatdreaded Oasis or something or other from RNIB. I nearly bought it asmy first phone with speech, thank Heavens I didn't. Maybe someone has decided that blind people again need something basic. I have to say I love the Symbian Nokia phones. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind PeopleForgive me, but having read the article via the link Tom posted, is this not reinventing the wheel, or have I missed something? Why have a Smartphone touch-screen mobile for blind and visually impaired people with specific apps when you can already access either Apple or Android handsets? Hoping someone might clarify the point of having such a phone in addition to what is already out there. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Lorimer Sent: 14 July 2012 11:43 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: New Accessible Phone for Blind People Hi Jeff, Try this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18818279 Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff flint <mailto:jeffflint15@xxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: [access-uk] New Accessible Phone for Blind People My brother in Australia heard a report from England that a new mobilephone, with lots of bells an whistles, was launched last Thursday inLondon. Does anybody know anything about it? 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