[AR] Re: DARPA responsive launch challenge

  • From: Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 21:04:28 -0700

On 4/22/2018 8:32 PM, Henry Spencer wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Henry Vanderbilt wrote:
...stabilized atomic hydrogen (just how it's stabilized is, of course, never explained)...

Mind, given the stabilization is SFnal handwaving, you could assume it's *stable*.  IE, not prone to detonating if looked at cross-eyed, and comes out of the reactor still monatomic.

I fear I don't believe it, at least not unless we do some cross-genre borrowing and get Harry Potter involved. :-)  No conceivable molecular bonding is going to stay 100% intact under NTR conditions, and with this stuff, 99% is not good enough.  I think it would take new physics, not just new chemistry, and the new physics would probably be good for enough other things that atomic hydrogen would take a back seat quickly.

(Without that, I don't say it's definitely impossible, but that's the way I'd bet.)

Oh, ultra-stable single-H would take nucleonic engineering (is that a thing? perhaps not quite yet...) not mere chemistry. And as you say, at that point we could probably come up with far better propulsion methods than heating single-H in a fission reactor.

At least part of my point was that someone writing SF in the fifties didn't know a fraction of what we do about what will and won't work - we have both sixty years accumulation of practical knowledge *and* far better access to it than a fifties SF author. Heinlein may well have assumed it stayed stable going out the exhaust in running his numbers. (Hey, at least he ran some numbers - more than most did, and it showed in a lot of those books.)

Metallic hydrogen (or Bob Forward's metastable helium), if it's stable at reasonable pressures once made, does seem more appealing.

For a very narrow definition of "appealing", mind. Not too far behind antimatter for being able to accomplish major demolition with miniscule amounts of the stuff.

Henry

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