[AR] Re: Hypersonics have finally arrived

  • From: Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 13:41:23 -0700

Utility in evading missile defenses aside, one thing to keep in mind is, for certain targets - among them ships - payload fraction is less important.  A hypersonic impact delivers TNT-equivalent energy for the entire vehicle mass involved even with no actual warhead on board at around Mach 9, and the equivalent energy of a 25%-of-vehicle mass TNT warhead at Mach ~4.5.

Given that the main penetrating-defenses advantages seem to be maneuvering beyond an interceptor's ability to follow, and operating in atmosphere bands where the interceptor loses effectiveness, effective anti-missile beam weapons will likely negate much of those advantages and largely obsolete expensive hypersonics.  Which may well explain why USN (and USAF) seems very interested in electric lasers these days.

Henry

On 10/15/2020 2:23 AM, George Herbert wrote:

OT...

It’s not much of a secret I do missiles and nuclear proliferation research and 
analysis including threat systems analysis as a side job.

There are a few things you can do with hypersonic weapons.  You can approach 
targets in the inconvenient altitude and speed band where there’s too little 
lift for normal fins and too much for unstreamlined exoatmospheric 
interceptors.  Midcourse defense gets very difficult... You can change 
direction in hypersonic flight, allowing flightpaths avoiding defenses or 
attacking simultaneously from different directions, complicating defenses.  
Under some circumstances they can use trajectory changes in target approach to 
maneuver out of interceptor engagement envelopes after interceptor burnout.  
Against rapidly maneuvering targets there is a better target volume capability. 
 Under some circumstances the range is longer than a smaller ballistic 
trajectory Maneuvering Reentry Vehicle can do.

They are much more expensive and harder to do than maneuvering ballistic RVs.  
They can’t carry effective decoys, IR sensors see them thousands of kilometers 
away, and avoiding defenses has to be done essentially blind because they can’t 
credibly detect incoming interceptors with onboard sensors.

The payload fraction of ballistic RVs is about 0.5, of maneuvering RVs 0.3-0.4, 
of hypersonic glide weapons 0.2 or less and Hypersonic cruise weapons 0.1 or 
so.  For the same payload they’re tremendously larger missiles to start with, 
with corresponding ship, aircraft, submarine, truck, or silo capacity issues.

They make better sense as Chinese antiship Missiles than as US prompt 
conventional strike missiles.  The countries don’t have analogous needs.


-george


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On Oct 14, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Troy Prideaux <troy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


attracted a lot of attention and hype but had no military value
whatsoever.
(For the sponsoring nation, that is -- it had considerable value to their
enemies,
since it pulled desperately-scarce resources away from things that *did*
have
real military value.)  The recent hypersonics hype smells much the same to
me...

Henry
I guess the difference now is the "enemy/ies" are all on the same hypersonic
bandwagon.

Troy




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