[jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
- From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 09:02:15 -0400
Hi Geoff,
I had long forgotten INSERT+Z. I keep 'Auto Forms Mode' turned off because
it interferes with my scripts, which often crawl over several edit fields to
get to where I need to go. I did the experiments that you suggested with
turning off the virtual cursor and tabbing to the 'save' button, but nothing
changed. I also played with using the JAWSCursor and InvisibleCursor with
the VertualCursor off, but it didn't help the situation. It was a good
idea.
Thanks,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:20 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
John, just a total far out long shot thought, but have you tried
experimenting with this horrid page, when turning virtual cursor off
totally?
with Jaws+Zed?
particularly where you've got issues of jaws seeming like it's not
recognizing an edit field, either manually or automatically (I presume
you've also tried setting forms mode to manual as well rather than relying
on it's auto-detection algorithm that's been on by default now for some
versions, though I always turn it off and go back to the old manual setting
myself.)
and seeing, for example, whether jaws then happily reads the text in the
edit field with arrows when virtual cursor is off permanently I don't know
how iTunes is done, but it's got this wierd mix of virtual pc being active,
and then places where without telling you it's found a forms mode field with
that auto detection stuff sound thing, so it doesn't know etc, when you flip
virtual PC cursor off with jaws+Zed, then tab to them you can fill them in.
else, it just thinks virtual cursor is still active, and doesn't even except
text input, because it's not recognizing there's a forms mode field there
to, allow, it to switch into?
anyways just wondered if you'd messed with that idea yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:48 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>I also installed JAWS 15 to see if it could activate the 'save' button that
> has been so problematic. This didn't help.
> John
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:34 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
> Someone also mentioned giving Google Chrome a try. There is good news and
> bad. The good news is, I was able to click the 'save' button with chrome.
> The bad news is that JAWS can't see any of the text in the edit fields of
> the specific webpages that I need to use when forms mode is activated, and
> the cursor keys are unable to move the cursor within the fields. So, this
> doesn't look promising.
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:21 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
> Hi
>
> I removed JAVA 6 and installed the latest JAVA version 7.X and activated
> the
> accessible bridge. Unfortunately this didn't change the situation. Any
> other
> thoughts?
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:40 PM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
> If you have the latest version of java. You will find a check box for it
> in
> the start menu, programs, accessories, ease of access center.
> Just tab to use computer without a display.
>
> At 03:58 PM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
>>Hi
>>
>>accessible bridge? I didn't find that in the list of add-ons. Should it
>>show up there or somewhere else? I did a quick Google search, but
>>didn't find any helpful information. Is this something that needs to be
> installed?
>>
>>Thanks
>>John
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
>>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:10 AM
>>To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>
>>I know you stated you turned java back on but did you enable the
>>accessible bridge also? Without that enabled it still could be a jaws
>>problem not actually seeing a physical button but reporting that there
>>is one. Like having a piece of glass between you and it . You can see
>>it but not touch it. You also stated something about downloads.
>>For any info there do a control + j. It runs them in background sense
>>version 9.
>>
>>At 10:08 AM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
>> >I am using IE10. I haven't tried Google chrome, because other people
>> >in the company have reported that it has problems with this web
>> >application. But maybe I should try it myself.
>> >
>> >John
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
>> >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:22 AM
>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>> >
>> >What version of IE are you using? IE can behave weird in a lot of
>> >instances that Firefox doesn't. Have you tried google chrome?
>> >John
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
>> >Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:56 PM
>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>> >
>> >Hi
>> >
>> >I appreciate the suggestions. I need to clarify my previous post and
>> >add some new information.
>> >
>> >First, the ‘save’ button is fully visible to JAWS 14. I can move
>> >the JAWSCursor, InvisibleCursor and the VertualCursor to the button.
>> >I can check the coordinates of the JAWSCursor and the InvisibleCursor
>> >for the ‘save’ button, and they are the same. I have my wife
>> >manually move the mouse to the ‘save’ button and JAWS reported
>> >the exact same cursor location.
>> >
>> >I have tried activating the button with the Enter Key, LeftMouse
>> >button on the numpad, the Left MouseLock button, and the Spacebar,
>> >but none of these will activate the button. I also had my wife try to
>> >activate the button with JAWS loaded and without JAWS loaded, but it
>> >will not respond on my laptop. Everyone else in my company is using
>> >IE and is able to click the ‘save’ button, so it is beginning to
>> >sound like it is something about my computer that is causing the
>> >problem.
>> >
>> >I did reactivate JAVA, which I had turned off when I disabled all my
>> >tool bars and add-ins to see if they were causing this problem, but
>> >JAVA restoration didn’t help.
>> >
>> >As I mentioned in my previous post, I am able to activate the
>> >‘save’ button in Firefox. The problem is that Firefox routinely
>> >crashes multiple times during the day, and I need to use IE. I am
>> >using
>> >IE10 in Windows 7. I am able to activate buttons on other webpages in
>> >IE10 normally.
>> >
>> >Here is some additional information that might be of use.
>> >
>> >Flexible Web is Enabled (I don’t know what this means) If
>> >IsFlexibleWebEnabled () Then SayString ("flex enabled") Else
>> >sayString ("not flex enabled") EndIf
>> >
>> >MSAA is being used. (I don’t know anything about MSAA) If
>> >IsMSAAWindow (GetFocus()) then SayString ("MSAA in use ") else
>> >saystring ("not MSAA") EndIf
>> >
>> >The window where the ‘save’ button is located is not obscured.
>> >If IsWindowObscured (GetFocus()) then SayString ("window is
>> >obscured") else SayString ("window not obscured") EndIf
>> >
>> >When the JAWSCursor or InvisibleCursor are used, and they point to
>> >the ‘save’ button, the button shows that it is contained within
>> >the active window. When the VertualCursor is used, then the same test
>> >reports that the location of the VertualCursor is not in the active
>> >window.
>> >If IsPointInWindow (ThePCCursorWindowHandle, GetCursorCol(),
>> >GetCursorRow ()) == true then SayString ("true this point is in the
>> >active window ") Else SayString ("false the point is not in the
>> >active
>> >window") EndIf
>> >
>> >I don’t know how relevant the following information is, but here it
>> >is for interest.
>> >The X-Y coordinates for the button when the VertualCursor is active is:
>> >1, 115 The X-Y coordinates for the button when either the JAWSCursor
>> >or the InvisibleCursor is used is: 500, 555
>> >
>> >There is one other problem that might be somehow related. I find that
>> >JAWS stopped tracking the standard windows download file notices
>> >sometimes last winter. In other words when I download a file from the
>> >internet and the box pops up to ask if I want to save or run the
>> >program, JAWS no longer automatically finds this box. This problem
>> >happens for me now in JAWS 13 and 14. It used to work fine in JAWS 13.
>> >I only mention this, because it is a strange change that did not
>> >happen in relationship to a JAWS update.
>> >
>> >If you have any other questions or suggestions, please pass them along.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >John
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The dark count
>> >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:59 PM
>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>> >
>> >Make sure Jaba script is enabled in ie. if not.
>> >Buttons or some links don't show up when switched off.
>> >
>> >D C
>> >
>> >On 10/19/2013 3:31 PM, John P. Thomas wrote:
>> > > Hi
>> > >
>> > > I have a button on a web page in Internet
>> > Explorer 10 running under WIN7 that I am unable to activate. I can
>> > click the button without any problem when I use Firefox, but in IE I
>> > cannot activate it with either a LeftMouseClick
>> > (insert+slash) or with the enter key. I tried routing the JAWSCursor
>> > and the InvisibleCursor, and I have tried tethering the JAWSCursor
>> > to follow the VertualCursor, but I can't activate the 'Save' button
>> > on this web based data form.
>> > >
>> > > I have been using Firefox with this
>> > particular web application for my work situation, but I really need
>> > to switch to IE10.
>> > Firefox crashes 2 to 3 times a day, which is a real problem, since
>> > it often locks up my laptop when it crashes and requires a forced
>> > shutdown.
>> > >
>> > > What other approaches could I use to get JAWS
>> > 14 to activate an uncooperative button. By the way, all other
>> > buttons on the page work fine in either IE10 or Firefox.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
>> > > Snowbarger
>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:35 PM
>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >
>> > > One of the parameters to UserBufferAddText is the name of a
>> > > function that will be executed if you press enter on
>> > the line of text you are adding.
>> > > Supplying that parameter makes it a link. And, I think you also
>> > > need to supply another parameter which is the name of the link to
>> > > be used if anybody presses jawsKey+f7 while in your buffer.
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Bob" <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:10 AM
>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, didn’t make any difference.
>> > >
>> > > What I found was UserBufferAddText ignores the %KeyFor In the end
>> > > the only way I could get it to work as I wanted was to do
>> > > something
>>like:
>> > > SayFormattedMessage(OT_USER_BUFFER,
>> > > FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions(Message))
>> > >
>> > > Then the message just consisted of a function call like
>> > > <GenerateLink>
>> > >
>> > > Then I had a function GenerateLink() that returned the line
>> > > %KeyFor(CustomClickAtPoint(GlobalVar1, GlobalVar2, GlobalVar3))
>> > >
>> > > A pain in the proverbial but did the trick.
>> > > I used my own click at point script so that I didn’t have to add
>> > > a keystroke to the script so the %KeyFor wasn’t adding unwanted
>> > > text to my output. Also I needed some extra custom
>> > handling for some special circumstances.
>> > >
>> > > So I got there in the end but I wouldn’t have had a clue without
>> > > your help so big thanks John.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
>> > > Sent: 18 October 2013 03:53
>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >
>> > > Did you clear the user buffer before adding?
>> > > John
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>> > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:01 AM
>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >
>> > > Thanks John
>> > > I have found that UserBufferAddText doesnt replace the % in the
>> > > way that SayFormattedMessage does.
>> > > Also had some fun trying to drop parameters into the function as
>> > > well so I could use the following:
>> > > %KeyFor(ClickAtPoint(iColumn, iRow, Coordsys_Pixels))
>> > >
>> > > Ended up using global variables and bouncing the message through
>> > > FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions
>> > >
>> > > I am getting fed up of this application!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 17/10/2013 14:09, John Martyn wrote:
>> > >> The %keyFor() function must tie to the exact script name in the
>> > >> parenthesis. You have to place this line inside a variable and if
>> > >> in a message file JSM, you need the messages and endMessages at
>> > >> the top and bottom. Make sure that the percent sign
>> > isn't right up against the words.
>> > >> John
>> > >> John
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:50 AM
>> > >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks John
>> > >>
>> > >> I still dont seem to be getting this working properly.
>> > >>
>> > >> I have added the message exactly as you had it to my messages
>> > >> section in my header file.
>> > >>
>> > >> When I do UserBufferAddText and then UserBufferActivate it just
>> > >> appears as plain text.
>> > >>
>> > >> What am I doing wrong?
>> > >>
>> > >> Bob
>> > >>
>> > >>> On 16 Oct 2013, at 23:08, John Martyn
>> > >>> <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Yes, use this:
>> > >>> @navigationKeys Navigation Keys
>> > >>> Go to Home Page %KeyFor (HomePage) @@ The key for is the name of
>> > >>> the script that is activated using a link style navigation.
>> > >>> John Martyn
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:35 AM
>> > >>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Virtual Viewer Help
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have an application that has nearly no keyboard navigation.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I am hoping to be able to scrape the useful information off each
>> > >>> screen and use the virtual viewer to display this.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Once this is running I would like to add links to the
>> > >>> information displayed so that the user can input additional
>> > >>> information where required.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Is it possible to add a link or a button or anything to the
>> > >>> virtual viewer output that will allow me to close the viewer and
>> > >>> trigger a different function in my jaws scripts when it is pressed?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks
>> > >>>
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