[jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
- From: Trouble <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 11:28:46 -0400
That would mean that firefox has something
unblocked therefor able to use the button. IE has
lots of security that firefox doesn't. So I would
be looking in the security tab menu in IE and
find what is turned off or blocked. I do know
that a lot of java, java script and active x are disabled.
At 10:33 AM 11/1/2013, you wrote:
>Hi Geoff,
>
>No that's not quite right.
>
>I can easily activate the button in Firefox, but my problem is that Firefox
>routinely crashes 4 or more times per day and when it goes it often locks up
>my laptop, which requires a forced shutdown since JAWS speech is also lost.
>
>I use IE10 for most of my interaction with my company's webpages with the
>exception of the one component of their system where I need to use Firefox.
>I have exhausted all of the Firefox suggestions to prevent crashes, but it
>still keeps on crashing.
>
>On my particular computer, with JAWS turned off, my wife was not able to
>activate the problematic 'save' button when using IE10 with the mouse pad.
>Supposedly the set of webpages I am using was optimized for IE, and other
>people in the company are able to activate the 'save' button for the page
>with IE.
>
>I have tried activating the button with the Spacebar, LeftMouse,
>LeftMouseLock/Unlock, and EnterKey. I have tested this with the
>VirtualCursor, JAWSCursor, InvisibleCursor, and now with Auto Forms Mode
>turned on and off, and with the VirtualCursor turned off. I have tried
>tethering the JAWSCursor to the PCCursor and using various sequences for
>routing cursors.
>
>I am beginning to suspect that it is somehow a problem with my specific
>laptop, but I don't have any ideas about how to solve the problem at that
>level.
>
>I find that Firefox tends to not crash when it is freshly activated. It
>usually does so after a couple hours of use. I have been starting to
>periodically close all the Firefox windows and reload the program with the
>hope of preventing a crash. Most of the time when Firefox crashes, I am
>simply typing in an edit field.
>
>John
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:49 AM
>To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
>Ok, Thanks John for the response.
>
>But, let me get this totally straight.
>Are you saying, that your major problem here, is not being able to
>click/activate, a single but imperitive save button on a given app in a Web
>environment?
>No matter what you do, or what browser you try? Is this correct?
>
>But, that when jaws is not loaded, that you can successfully tab to it and
>activate it with SpaceBar then?
>
>But that when jaws is loaded, and you turn virtual cursor off, that the same
>actions of tabbing and hitting SpaceBar, no longer will activate the button?
>Is that right?
>
>That seems incredible if so!
>
>And Additionally, just refresh us, if you get the physical mouse on the
>button, and you click the physical mouse button, whilst jaws is loaded, does
>the button activate?
>I remember you saying that no keyboard mouse emulation clicks, either NumPad
>Slash, nor a doubleClick of JawsKey+NumPadSlash, would activate it whilst
>the mouse pointer is *definitely* (visually confirmed,) over the button. is
>that right too?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:02 AM
>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
>
> > Hi Geoff,
> >
> > I had long forgotten INSERT+Z. I keep 'Auto Forms Mode' turned off because
> > it interferes with my scripts, which often crawl over several edit fields
> > to
> > get to where I need to go. I did the experiments that you suggested with
> > turning off the virtual cursor and tabbing to the 'save' button, but
> > nothing
> > changed. I also played with using the JAWSCursor and InvisibleCursor with
> > the VertualCursor off, but it didn't help the situation. It was a good
> > idea.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:20 AM
> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >
> > John, just a total far out long shot thought, but have you tried
> > experimenting with this horrid page, when turning virtual cursor off
> > totally?
> > with Jaws+Zed?
> >
> > particularly where you've got issues of jaws seeming like it's not
> > recognizing an edit field, either manually or automatically (I presume
> > you've also tried setting forms mode to manual as well rather than relying
> > on it's auto-detection algorithm that's been on by default now for some
> > versions, though I always turn it off and go back to the old manual
> > setting
> > myself.)
> > and seeing, for example, whether jaws then happily reads the text in the
> > edit field with arrows when virtual cursor is off permanently I don't know
> > how iTunes is done, but it's got this wierd mix of virtual pc being
> > active,
> > and then places where without telling you it's found a forms mode field
> > with
> > that auto detection stuff sound thing, so it doesn't know etc, when you
> > flip
> > virtual PC cursor off with jaws+Zed, then tab to them you can fill them
> > in.
> > else, it just thinks virtual cursor is still active, and doesn't even
> > except
> > text input, because it's not recognizing there's a forms mode field there
> > to, allow, it to switch into?
> > anyways just wondered if you'd messed with that idea yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:48 PM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >
> >
> >>I also installed JAWS 15 to see if it could activate the 'save' button
> >>that
> >> has been so problematic. This didn't help.
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:34 AM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>
> >> Someone also mentioned giving Google Chrome a try. There is good news and
> >> bad. The good news is, I was able to click the 'save' button with chrome.
> >> The bad news is that JAWS can't see any of the text in the edit fields of
> >> the specific webpages that I need to use when forms mode is activated,
> >> and
> >> the cursor keys are unable to move the cursor within the fields. So, this
> >> doesn't look promising.
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:21 AM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I removed JAVA 6 and installed the latest JAVA version 7.X and activated
> >> the
> >> accessible bridge. Unfortunately this didn't change the situation. Any
> >> other
> >> thoughts?
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
> >> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:40 PM
> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>
> >> If you have the latest version of java. You will find a check box for it
> >> in
> >> the start menu, programs, accessories, ease of access center.
> >> Just tab to use computer without a display.
> >>
> >> At 03:58 PM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
> >>>Hi
> >>>
> >>>accessible bridge? I didn't find that in the list of add-ons. Should it
> >>>show up there or somewhere else? I did a quick Google search, but
> >>>didn't find any helpful information. Is this something that needs to be
> >> installed?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>John
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
> >>>Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:10 AM
> >>>To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>>
> >>>I know you stated you turned java back on but did you enable the
> >>>accessible bridge also? Without that enabled it still could be a jaws
> >>>problem not actually seeing a physical button but reporting that there
> >>>is one. Like having a piece of glass between you and it . You can see
> >>>it but not touch it. You also stated something about downloads.
> >>>For any info there do a control + j. It runs them in background sense
> >>>version 9.
> >>>
> >>>At 10:08 AM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
> >>> >I am using IE10. I haven't tried Google chrome, because other people
> >>> >in the company have reported that it has problems with this web
> >>> >application. But maybe I should try it myself.
> >>> >
> >>> >John
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
> >>> >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:22 AM
> >>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>> >
> >>> >What version of IE are you using? IE can behave weird in a lot of
> >>> >instances that Firefox doesn't. Have you tried google chrome?
> >>> >John
> >>> >
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
> >>> >Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:56 PM
> >>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>> >
> >>> >Hi
> >>> >
> >>> >I appreciate the suggestions. I need to clarify my previous post and
> >>> >add some new information.
> >>> >
> >>> >First, the âsaveâ button is fully visible to JAWS 14. I can move
> >>> >the JAWSCursor, InvisibleCursor and the VertualCursor to the button.
> >>> >I can check the coordinates of the JAWSCursor and the InvisibleCursor
> >>> >for the âsaveâ button, and they are the same. I have my wife
> >>> >manually move the mouse to the âsaveâ button and JAWS reported
> >>> >the exact same cursor location.
> >>> >
> >>> >I have tried activating the button with the Enter Key, LeftMouse
> >>> >button on the numpad, the Left MouseLock button, and the Spacebar,
> >>> >but none of these will activate the button. I also had my wife try to
> >>> >activate the button with JAWS loaded and without JAWS loaded, but it
> >>> >will not respond on my laptop. Everyone else in my company is using
> >>> >IE and is able to click the âsaveâ button, so it is beginning to
> >>> >sound like it is something about my computer that is causing the
> >>> >problem.
> >>> >
> >>> >I did reactivate JAVA, which I had turned off when I disabled all my
> >>> >tool bars and add-ins to see if they were causing this problem, but
> >>> >JAVA restoration didnât help.
> >>> >
> >>> >As I mentioned in my previous post, I am able to activate the
> >>> >âsaveâ button in Firefox. The problem is that Firefox routinely
> >>> >crashes multiple times during the day, and I need to use IE. I am
> >>> >using
> >>> >IE10 in Windows 7. I am able to activate buttons on other webpages in
> >>> >IE10 normally.
> >>> >
> >>> >Here is some additional information that might be of use.
> >>> >
> >>> >Flexible Web is Enabled (I donât know what this means) If
> >>> >IsFlexibleWebEnabled () Then SayString ("flex enabled") Else
> >>> >sayString ("not flex enabled") EndIf
> >>> >
> >>> >MSAA is being used. (I donât know anything about MSAA) If
> >>> >IsMSAAWindow (GetFocus()) then SayString ("MSAA in use ") else
> >>> >saystring ("not MSAA") EndIf
> >>> >
> >>> >The window where the âsaveâ button is located is not obscured.
> >>> >If IsWindowObscured (GetFocus()) then SayString ("window is
> >>> >obscured") else SayString ("window not obscured") EndIf
> >>> >
> >>> >When the JAWSCursor or InvisibleCursor are used, and they point to
> >>> >the âsaveâ button, the button shows that it is contained within
> >>> >the active window. When the VertualCursor is used, then the same test
> >>> >reports that the location of the VertualCursor is not in the active
> >>> >window.
> >>> >If IsPointInWindow (ThePCCursorWindowHandle, GetCursorCol(),
> >>> >GetCursorRow ()) == true then SayString ("true this point is in the
> >>> >active window ") Else SayString ("false the point is not in the
> >>> >active
> >>> >window") EndIf
> >>> >
> >>> >I donât know how relevant the following information is, but here it
> >>> >is for interest.
> >>> >The X-Y coordinates for the button when the VertualCursor is active is:
> >>> >1, 115 The X-Y coordinates for the button when either the JAWSCursor
> >>> >or the InvisibleCursor is used is: 500, 555
> >>> >
> >>> >There is one other problem that might be somehow related. I find that
> >>> >JAWS stopped tracking the standard windows download file notices
> >>> >sometimes last winter. In other words when I download a file from the
> >>> >internet and the box pops up to ask if I want to save or run the
> >>> >program, JAWS no longer automatically finds this box. This problem
> >>> >happens for me now in JAWS 13 and 14. It used to work fine in JAWS 13.
> >>> >I only mention this, because it is a strange change that did not
> >>> >happen in relationship to a JAWS update.
> >>> >
> >>> >If you have any other questions or suggestions, please pass them along.
> >>> >
> >>> >Thanks,
> >>> >John
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> >From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The dark count
> >>> >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:59 PM
> >>> >To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> >Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
> >>> >
> >>> >Make sure Jaba script is enabled in ie. if not.
> >>> >Buttons or some links don't show up when switched off.
> >>> >
> >>> >D C
> >>> >
> >>> >On 10/19/2013 3:31 PM, John P. Thomas wrote:
> >>> > > Hi
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have a button on a web page in Internet
> >>> > Explorer 10 running under WIN7 that I am unable to activate. I can
> >>> > click the button without any problem when I use Firefox, but in IE I
> >>> > cannot activate it with either a LeftMouseClick
> >>> > (insert+slash) or with the enter key. I tried routing the JAWSCursor
> >>> > and the InvisibleCursor, and I have tried tethering the JAWSCursor
> >>> > to follow the VertualCursor, but I can't activate the 'Save' button
> >>> > on this web based data form.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I have been using Firefox with this
> >>> > particular web application for my work situation, but I really need
> >>> > to switch to IE10.
> >>> > Firefox crashes 2 to 3 times a day, which is a real problem, since
> >>> > it often locks up my laptop when it crashes and requires a forced
> >>> > shutdown.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > What other approaches could I use to get JAWS
> >>> > 14 to activate an uncooperative button. By the way, all other
> >>> > buttons on the page work fine in either IE10 or Firefox.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks,
> >>> > > John
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
> >>> > > Snowbarger
> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:35 PM
> >>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >
> >>> > > One of the parameters to UserBufferAddText is the name of a
> >>> > > function that will be executed if you press enter on
> >>> > the line of text you are adding.
> >>> > > Supplying that parameter makes it a link. And, I think you also
> >>> > > need to supply another parameter which is the name of the link to
> >>> > > be used if anybody presses jawsKey+f7 while in your buffer.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > > From: "Bob" <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:10 AM
> >>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Yeah, didnât make any difference.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > What I found was UserBufferAddText ignores the %KeyFor In the end
> >>> > > the only way I could get it to work as I wanted was to do
> >>> > > something
> >>>like:
> >>> > > SayFormattedMessage(OT_USER_BUFFER,
> >>> > > FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions(Message))
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Then the message just consisted of a function call like
> >>> > > <GenerateLink>
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Then I had a function GenerateLink() that returned the line
> >>> > > %KeyFor(CustomClickAtPoint(GlobalVar1, GlobalVar2, GlobalVar3))
> >>> > >
> >>> > > A pain in the proverbial but did the trick.
> >>> > > I used my own click at point script so that I didnât have to add
> >>> > > a keystroke to the script so the %KeyFor wasnât adding unwanted
> >>> > > text to my output. Also I needed some extra custom
> >>> > handling for some special circumstances.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > So I got there in the end but I wouldnât have had a clue without
> >>> > > your help so big thanks John.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
> >>> > > Sent: 18 October 2013 03:53
> >>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Did you clear the user buffer before adding?
> >>> > > John
> >>> > >
> >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> >>> > > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:01 AM
> >>> > > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks John
> >>> > > I have found that UserBufferAddText doesnt replace the % in the
> >>> > > way that SayFormattedMessage does.
> >>> > > Also had some fun trying to drop parameters into the function as
> >>> > > well so I could use the following:
> >>> > > %KeyFor(ClickAtPoint(iColumn, iRow, Coordsys_Pixels))
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Ended up using global variables and bouncing the message through
> >>> > > FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I am getting fed up of this application!
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On 17/10/2013 14:09, John Martyn wrote:
> >>> > >> The %keyFor() function must tie to the exact script name in the
> >>> > >> parenthesis. You have to place this line inside a variable and if
> >>> > >> in a message file JSM, you need the messages and endMessages at
> >>> > >> the top and bottom. Make sure that the percent sign
> >>> > isn't right up against the words.
> >>> > >> John
> >>> > >> John
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> >>> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:50 AM
> >>> > >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Thanks John
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I still dont seem to be getting this working properly.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I have added the message exactly as you had it to my messages
> >>> > >> section in my header file.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> When I do UserBufferAddText and then UserBufferActivate it just
> >>> > >> appears as plain text.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> What am I doing wrong?
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Bob
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>> On 16 Oct 2013, at 23:08, John Martyn
> >>> > >>> <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>wrote:
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Yes, use this:
> >>> > >>> @navigationKeys Navigation Keys
> >>> > >>> Go to Home Page %KeyFor (HomePage) @@ The key for is the name of
> >>> > >>> the script that is activated using a link style navigation.
> >>> > >>> John Martyn
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> > >>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > >>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
> >>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:35 AM
> >>> > >>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> > >>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Virtual Viewer Help
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> I have an application that has nearly no keyboard navigation.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> I am hoping to be able to scrape the useful information off each
> >>> > >>> screen and use the virtual viewer to display this.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Once this is running I would like to add links to the
> >>> > >>> information displayed so that the user can input additional
> >>> > >>> information where required.
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Is it possible to add a link or a button or anything to the
> >>> > >>> virtual viewer output that will allow me to close the viewer and
> >>> > >>> trigger a different function in my jaws scripts when it is
> >>> > >>> pressed?
> >>> > >>>
> >>> > >>> Thanks
> >>> > >>>
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