[jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
- From: "Jonathan C. Cohn" <jon.c.cohn@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:00:44 -0400
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> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:33 AM, "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx> I wonder
> what control insert shift F1 provides for this button? wrote:
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> No that's not quite right.
>
> I can easily activate the button in Firefox, but my problem is that Firefox
> routinely crashes 4 or more times per day and when it goes it often locks up
> my laptop, which requires a forced shutdown since JAWS speech is also lost.
>
> I use IE10 for most of my interaction with my company's webpages with the
> exception of the one component of their system where I need to use Firefox.
> I have exhausted all of the Firefox suggestions to prevent crashes, but it
> still keeps on crashing.
>
> On my particular computer, with JAWS turned off, my wife was not able to
> activate the problematic 'save' button when using IE10 with the mouse pad.
> Supposedly the set of webpages I am using was optimized for IE, and other
> people in the company are able to activate the 'save' button for the page
> with IE.
>
> I have tried activating the button with the Spacebar, LeftMouse,
> LeftMouseLock/Unlock, and EnterKey. I have tested this with the
> VirtualCursor, JAWSCursor, InvisibleCursor, and now with Auto Forms Mode
> turned on and off, and with the VirtualCursor turned off. I have tried
> tethering the JAWSCursor to the PCCursor and using various sequences for
> routing cursors.
>
> I am beginning to suspect that it is somehow a problem with my specific
> laptop, but I don't have any ideas about how to solve the problem at that
> level.
>
> I find that Firefox tends to not crash when it is freshly activated. It
> usually does so after a couple hours of use. I have been starting to
> periodically close all the Firefox windows and reload the program with the
> hope of preventing a crash. Most of the time when Firefox crashes, I am
> simply typing in an edit field.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:49 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
> Ok, Thanks John for the response.
>
> But, let me get this totally straight.
> Are you saying, that your major problem here, is not being able to
> click/activate, a single but imperitive save button on a given app in a Web
> environment?
> No matter what you do, or what browser you try? Is this correct?
>
> But, that when jaws is not loaded, that you can successfully tab to it and
> activate it with SpaceBar then?
>
> But that when jaws is loaded, and you turn virtual cursor off, that the same
> actions of tabbing and hitting SpaceBar, no longer will activate the button?
> Is that right?
>
> That seems incredible if so!
>
> And Additionally, just refresh us, if you get the physical mouse on the
> button, and you click the physical mouse button, whilst jaws is loaded, does
> the button activate?
> I remember you saying that no keyboard mouse emulation clicks, either NumPad
> Slash, nor a doubleClick of JawsKey+NumPadSlash, would activate it whilst
> the mouse pointer is *definitely* (visually confirmed,) over the button. is
> that right too?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 12:02 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>
>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>> I had long forgotten INSERT+Z. I keep 'Auto Forms Mode' turned off because
>> it interferes with my scripts, which often crawl over several edit fields
>> to
>> get to where I need to go. I did the experiments that you suggested with
>> turning off the virtual cursor and tabbing to the 'save' button, but
>> nothing
>> changed. I also played with using the JAWSCursor and InvisibleCursor with
>> the VertualCursor off, but it didn't help the situation. It was a good
>> idea.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 2:20 AM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>
>> John, just a total far out long shot thought, but have you tried
>> experimenting with this horrid page, when turning virtual cursor off
>> totally?
>> with Jaws+Zed?
>>
>> particularly where you've got issues of jaws seeming like it's not
>> recognizing an edit field, either manually or automatically (I presume
>> you've also tried setting forms mode to manual as well rather than relying
>> on it's auto-detection algorithm that's been on by default now for some
>> versions, though I always turn it off and go back to the old manual
>> setting
>> myself.)
>> and seeing, for example, whether jaws then happily reads the text in the
>> edit field with arrows when virtual cursor is off permanently I don't know
>> how iTunes is done, but it's got this wierd mix of virtual pc being
>> active,
>> and then places where without telling you it's found a forms mode field
>> with
>> that auto detection stuff sound thing, so it doesn't know etc, when you
>> flip
>> virtual PC cursor off with jaws+Zed, then tab to them you can fill them
>> in.
>> else, it just thinks virtual cursor is still active, and doesn't even
>> except
>> text input, because it's not recognizing there's a forms mode field there
>> to, allow, it to switch into?
>> anyways just wondered if you'd messed with that idea yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John P. Thomas" <johnt@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:48 PM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>
>>
>>> I also installed JAWS 15 to see if it could activate the 'save' button
>>> that
>>> has been so problematic. This didn't help.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:34 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>
>>> Someone also mentioned giving Google Chrome a try. There is good news and
>>> bad. The good news is, I was able to click the 'save' button with chrome.
>>> The bad news is that JAWS can't see any of the text in the edit fields of
>>> the specific webpages that I need to use when forms mode is activated,
>>> and
>>> the cursor keys are unable to move the cursor within the fields. So, this
>>> doesn't look promising.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:21 AM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I removed JAVA 6 and installed the latest JAVA version 7.X and activated
>>> the
>>> accessible bridge. Unfortunately this didn't change the situation. Any
>>> other
>>> thoughts?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:40 PM
>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>
>>> If you have the latest version of java. You will find a check box for it
>>> in
>>> the start menu, programs, accessories, ease of access center.
>>> Just tab to use computer without a display.
>>>
>>> At 03:58 PM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> accessible bridge? I didn't find that in the list of add-ons. Should it
>>>> show up there or somewhere else? I did a quick Google search, but
>>>> didn't find any helpful information. Is this something that needs to be
>>> installed?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 11:10 AM
>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>>
>>>> I know you stated you turned java back on but did you enable the
>>>> accessible bridge also? Without that enabled it still could be a jaws
>>>> problem not actually seeing a physical button but reporting that there
>>>> is one. Like having a piece of glass between you and it . You can see
>>>> it but not touch it. You also stated something about downloads.
>>>> For any info there do a control + j. It runs them in background sense
>>>> version 9.
>>>>
>>>> At 10:08 AM 10/28/2013, you wrote:
>>>>> I am using IE10. I haven't tried Google chrome, because other people
>>>>> in the company have reported that it has problems with this web
>>>>> application. But maybe I should try it myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 12:22 AM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>>>
>>>>> What version of IE are you using? IE can behave weird in a lot of
>>>>> instances that Firefox doesn't. Have you tried google chrome?
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John P. Thomas
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 2:56 PM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate the suggestions. I need to clarify my previous post and
>>>>> add some new information.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, the ‘save’ button is fully visible to JAWS 14. I can move
>>>>> the JAWSCursor, InvisibleCursor and the VertualCursor to the button.
>>>>> I can check the coordinates of the JAWSCursor and the InvisibleCursor
>>>>> for the ‘save’ button, and they are the same. I have my wife
>>>>> manually move the mouse to the ‘save’ button and JAWS reported
>>>>> the exact same cursor location.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried activating the button with the Enter Key, LeftMouse
>>>>> button on the numpad, the Left MouseLock button, and the Spacebar,
>>>>> but none of these will activate the button. I also had my wife try to
>>>>> activate the button with JAWS loaded and without JAWS loaded, but it
>>>>> will not respond on my laptop. Everyone else in my company is using
>>>>> IE and is able to click the ‘save’ button, so it is beginning to
>>>>> sound like it is something about my computer that is causing the
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did reactivate JAVA, which I had turned off when I disabled all my
>>>>> tool bars and add-ins to see if they were causing this problem, but
>>>>> JAVA restoration didn’t help.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I mentioned in my previous post, I am able to activate the
>>>>> ‘save’ button in Firefox. The problem is that Firefox routinely
>>>>> crashes multiple times during the day, and I need to use IE. I am
>>>>> using
>>>>> IE10 in Windows 7. I am able to activate buttons on other webpages in
>>>>> IE10 normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is some additional information that might be of use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flexible Web is Enabled (I don’t know what this means) If
>>>>> IsFlexibleWebEnabled () Then SayString ("flex enabled") Else
>>>>> sayString ("not flex enabled") EndIf
>>>>>
>>>>> MSAA is being used. (I don’t know anything about MSAA) If
>>>>> IsMSAAWindow (GetFocus()) then SayString ("MSAA in use ") else
>>>>> saystring ("not MSAA") EndIf
>>>>>
>>>>> The window where the ‘save’ button is located is not obscured.
>>>>> If IsWindowObscured (GetFocus()) then SayString ("window is
>>>>> obscured") else SayString ("window not obscured") EndIf
>>>>>
>>>>> When the JAWSCursor or InvisibleCursor are used, and they point to
>>>>> the ‘save’ button, the button shows that it is contained within
>>>>> the active window. When the VertualCursor is used, then the same test
>>>>> reports that the location of the VertualCursor is not in the active
>>>>> window.
>>>>> If IsPointInWindow (ThePCCursorWindowHandle, GetCursorCol(),
>>>>> GetCursorRow ()) == true then SayString ("true this point is in the
>>>>> active window ") Else SayString ("false the point is not in the
>>>>> active
>>>>> window") EndIf
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know how relevant the following information is, but here it
>>>>> is for interest.
>>>>> The X-Y coordinates for the button when the VertualCursor is active is:
>>>>> 1, 115 The X-Y coordinates for the button when either the JAWSCursor
>>>>> or the InvisibleCursor is used is: 500, 555
>>>>>
>>>>> There is one other problem that might be somehow related. I find that
>>>>> JAWS stopped tracking the standard windows download file notices
>>>>> sometimes last winter. In other words when I download a file from the
>>>>> internet and the box pops up to ask if I want to save or run the
>>>>> program, JAWS no longer automatically finds this box. This problem
>>>>> happens for me now in JAWS 13 and 14. It used to work fine in JAWS 13.
>>>>> I only mention this, because it is a strange change that did not
>>>>> happen in relationship to a JAWS update.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any other questions or suggestions, please pass them along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The dark count
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 1:59 PM
>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Alternative methods for clicking a button
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure Jaba script is enabled in ie. if not.
>>>>> Buttons or some links don't show up when switched off.
>>>>>
>>>>> D C
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/19/2013 3:31 PM, John P. Thomas wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a button on a web page in Internet
>>>>> Explorer 10 running under WIN7 that I am unable to activate. I can
>>>>> click the button without any problem when I use Firefox, but in IE I
>>>>> cannot activate it with either a LeftMouseClick
>>>>> (insert+slash) or with the enter key. I tried routing the JAWSCursor
>>>>> and the InvisibleCursor, and I have tried tethering the JAWSCursor
>>>>> to follow the VertualCursor, but I can't activate the 'Save' button
>>>>> on this web based data form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been using Firefox with this
>>>>> particular web application for my work situation, but I really need
>>>>> to switch to IE10.
>>>>> Firefox crashes 2 to 3 times a day, which is a real problem, since
>>>>> it often locks up my laptop when it crashes and requires a forced
>>>>> shutdown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What other approaches could I use to get JAWS
>>>>> 14 to activate an uncooperative button. By the way, all other
>>>>> buttons on the page work fine in either IE10 or Firefox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>>>> Snowbarger
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:35 PM
>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the parameters to UserBufferAddText is the name of a
>>>>>> function that will be executed if you press enter on
>>>>> the line of text you are adding.
>>>>>> Supplying that parameter makes it a link. And, I think you also
>>>>>> need to supply another parameter which is the name of the link to
>>>>>> be used if anybody presses jawsKey+f7 while in your buffer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bob" <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:10 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, didn’t make any difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I found was UserBufferAddText ignores the %KeyFor In the end
>>>>>> the only way I could get it to work as I wanted was to do
>>>>>> something
>>>> like:
>>>>>> SayFormattedMessage(OT_USER_BUFFER,
>>>>>> FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions(Message))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then the message just consisted of a function call like
>>>>>> <GenerateLink>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I had a function GenerateLink() that returned the line
>>>>>> %KeyFor(CustomClickAtPoint(GlobalVar1, GlobalVar2, GlobalVar3))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A pain in the proverbial but did the trick.
>>>>>> I used my own click at point script so that I didn’t have to add
>>>>>> a keystroke to the script so the %KeyFor wasn’t adding unwanted
>>>>>> text to my output. Also I needed some extra custom
>>>>> handling for some special circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I got there in the end but I wouldn’t have had a clue without
>>>>>> your help so big thanks John.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
>>>>>> Sent: 18 October 2013 03:53
>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you clear the user buffer before adding?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:01 AM
>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks John
>>>>>> I have found that UserBufferAddText doesnt replace the % in the
>>>>>> way that SayFormattedMessage does.
>>>>>> Also had some fun trying to drop parameters into the function as
>>>>>> well so I could use the following:
>>>>>> %KeyFor(ClickAtPoint(iColumn, iRow, Coordsys_Pixels))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ended up using global variables and bouncing the message through
>>>>>> FormatStringWithEmbeddedFunctions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am getting fed up of this application!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17/10/2013 14:09, John Martyn wrote:
>>>>>>> The %keyFor() function must tie to the exact script name in the
>>>>>>> parenthesis. You have to place this line inside a variable and if
>>>>>>> in a message file JSM, you need the messages and endMessages at
>>>>>>> the top and bottom. Make sure that the percent sign
>>>>> isn't right up against the words.
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still dont seem to be getting this working properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have added the message exactly as you had it to my messages
>>>>>>> section in my header file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I do UserBufferAddText and then UserBufferActivate it just
>>>>>>> appears as plain text.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16 Oct 2013, at 23:08, John Martyn
>>>>>>>> <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, use this:
>>>>>>>> @navigationKeys Navigation Keys
>>>>>>>> Go to Home Page %KeyFor (HomePage) @@ The key for is the name of
>>>>>>>> the script that is activated using a link style navigation.
>>>>>>>> John Martyn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:35 AM
>>>>>>>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Virtual Viewer Help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have an application that has nearly no keyboard navigation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am hoping to be able to scrape the useful information off each
>>>>>>>> screen and use the virtual viewer to display this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once this is running I would like to add links to the
>>>>>>>> information displayed so that the user can input additional
>>>>>>>> information where required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to add a link or a button or anything to the
>>>>>>>> virtual viewer output that will allow me to close the viewer and
>>>>>>>> trigger a different function in my jaws scripts when it is
>>>>>>>> pressed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> D C
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