he delusion continues. ATSC's legal position is as the adopted standard for the United States. Do you disagree or just don't understand what that means? (It's like selling PAL sets in Maine.) If DVB-H includes DVB-T, I don't really care, since nobody with any content that I am interested in, at least within 1000 miles of my home, is now, or will in the forseable future, offers a usable DVB service. I say this despite the fact that as of a few days ago, Qualcomm's Media Flo was available in San Diego, on Channel 53 (we have a DTV station on channeol 55 for the moment.) Media flo IS NOT BROADCASTING. I have yet to hear of a single proposal to offer broadcasting services on any channel above 51, and I doubt that you have heard such things in reality./ Since you are sub-par as to terminology (MPEG-2 technology going down the tubes?), let me provide you with the definition of broadcasting: a point to multipoint one-way wireless transmission system, providing unencrypted signals designed for reception by the general public. Media flo is not one way, provides encrypted communications, which are not designed for reception by the general public, but the people who have paid a fee to somebody for access. So, your prediction is a non-starter. Nobody interested in transmitting for free in the clear has even thought of using channels above 51, nor has any such entity or person given much of a thought of using DVB, given ATSC's legal position. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: Bob Miller <bob@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Oct 25, 2005 8:32 PM To: JohnWillkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [OpenDTV] Interesting Point Inclusion of DVB-H by definition includes DVB-T. What legal position of ATSC? They have none on channels above 51 as Qualcomm is proving by deployment of COFDM on 55. As I have been predicting for many years ALL channels from 51 through 59 will be used for broadcasting even if some of the current owners of this spectrum do not know it yet. And they will ALL use a version of COFDM. And as channels 52 and below realize what the competition is doing with DVB-T and H they will clamor for the ability to compete. Maybe that clamoring will come as the last moments of NTSC approach and the broadcasters employ their last tool of delay, the poor reception of mandated receivers, to hold off the inevitable. Congress could throw them the bone of allowing COFDM if they just shut up. The evidence worldwide of the superiority of COFDM will be very apparent by then as it well may be right here in the US. The scramble to buy the remaining channels in the lower 700 MHz spectrum and the plans of the would be winners will also stimulate interest by broadcasters in actually being able to use their OTA spectrum to compete in this new market. Having every laptop capable of receiving DVB-T/H will be just another incentive. Unless of course 8-VSB improves so much that manufacturers also include ATSC receivers in every laptop. LOL falling on the floor LOL, having a spasm, someone call 911!!! Bob Miller John Willkie wrote: >I've been somewha skeptical of DVB adoption/depoyment in the US due to the >legal position of ATSC. > >Here's an interesting new wrinkle I learned of yesterday from a friend in the >hardware end of this business. All the major manufactrers of laptop >motherboards have decided to include DVB-H receivers onboard. > >The network effects can be stunning from this. It could also shed somelight >on why certain manufacturers of advanced ATSC chips have changed plans to >offer free-standing stbs. > >John Willkie > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.