Kon Wilms wrote: > So to be clear before starting, Bert contends that > at best only a unique at-best local nat address can > be used to identify a viewer. That's categorically > incorrect. The advertising, I could care less > about. And there are ample ways of ignoring/blocking > that to make it moot from the get-go. But when it > comes to bandwidth accounting, that's not a problem. Not sure how you're using cookies, Kon, but let me ask: I make it a habit of purging my cookies often. Can you still make effective use of them with people like me? Cliff wrote: > I cannot recall any ad placed around or near the > YouTube screen on my PC, nor their content, if any. > They might have been there but I didn't take notice > of them at all. Kon wrote: > So if you haven't seen it, it doesn't exist? If I may speak for Cliff, I think his point is the same as one I have made on several occasions. In spite of the hype surrounding Internet ads vs TV ads, and hype it is, people like Cliff and me are suggesting that Internet ads are no more successful at reaching an audience. I will grant you that use of cookies would theoretically prevent people from having to see the same ad over and over, if done right, and that might be an advantage. Still, the more "aggressive" techniques used over the Internet are also those that soon become neutralized by countermeasures. Like pop-ups and spam e-mail. Bert _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.