Ah Martin, right. No need for quotas any more, employer just has to justify why a disabled person was not successful in the selection process. Other than that presumably it is up to the blind or otherwise disabled person to prove why they should have been selected, a pretty impossible task. ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin wilsher" <martinwilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
There was a quota for the numbers of disabled people employed in a company before the DDA was enacted I think. -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf OfEleanor Burke Sent: 04 November 2010 16:46 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display optionsI agree with you again Derek but not talking about the company you mention,in general, I believe the sad situation is that there has to be a ruling authority about employing a number of disabled people in the workplace, otherwise such people are left on the back burner. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display optionsBut there was discussion about taking ona blind person, Why? Nobody should be taken on because blind. So what's the problem? Are you trying to say that Sight & Sound reject Those that are blind! I am saying it doesn't matter if staff are sighted or not. Regards, Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Leake Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:50 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options derek nobody is recommending taking a blind person on if they don't have the ability to do the job, what a silly suggestion you make! who needs enemies with you as a friend? Cheers Paul paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 3:34 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display optionsHi Jackie Surely it would be bad management if one was to take on A member of staff on the basis blind. Staff should never be taken on based on disability, it should Always be based on ability to do the job, And also is there need for the extra job? Clearly in the case of Sight & Sound, they must feel they Have enough staff now. Regards, Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:31 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options As you know Paul, I gave S and S every assistance I could to advertise and recruit a blind person with good Braille skills to become part of the company before I left. Sadly, however, nothing was done about it, I moved away, and thankfully we all appear to be happy with the paths we have taken. (smile). Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Leake Sent: 03 November 2010 22:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options i think it is a great pity that a company the size of sight and sound chooses not to employ fulltime a blind person in such a role! this calls into question your commitment to employing blind people in my view! very poor indeed! Cheers Paul paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Tookey" <Glenn.Tookey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:16 PM Subject: [access-uk] FW: Re: Braille display optionsActually we do have a blind person to demonstrate, train and support our customer base. We have Jonathan Tyrer, who works UK wide for us in this role. He is not a full time employee, but he works for us on a day to day basis and has been successful. He has a very wide experience base - not just Freedom products, but all software and hardware and also more recently Apple solutions. This for me is what we are all about, looking after our customer base, so if you would like to learn more about the Focus 40 Blue just contact us and we will do our best to help. Regards Glenn -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 02 November 2010 10:02 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options They don't have a blind person like myself to go out and demo, train and support their Braille products as it currently stands and, in my honest experience, there is nobody like a Braillist to really demonstrate what a display or other similar hardware can do. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 02 November 2010 09:49 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options Ask Sight & Sound Catherine. Sight & Sound are aware that it does not work with the N97 Mini as I told them. Also informed Freedom Scientific. Maybe it has to do with N97 Mini being a 5th generation phone but it works well with the other phones. Don't Sight & Sound have a service, well they did when Jackie worked there, where someone would come out and show you a Braille display, in that case, the person could try it with our phone and then you would know before purchasing it. There is a really nice man at Freedom Scientific who uses the Focus Blue all the time with his phone. I wrote to him too re the drivers but whether they do anything about it or not is anyone's guess. While I was disappointed, I have to say of course that the Focus Blue is excellent in conjunction with PC also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Turner" <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:24 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display optionsAh. Did you ask the manufacturer about this? Is there a particular reason why it doesn't work with the n97 mini? Is there any way of knowing before purchase whether it would work or not. I will have to ask Sight And Sound about it, but presumably if it didn't work I could return it for a refund. Catherine On 11/3/10, Eleanor Burke <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:you want to ensure that it will work as I got the Focus Blue and it does not work with the N97 Mini but iT works with my other phones. -original message- Subject: [access-uk] Braille display options From: Catherine Turner <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 02/11/2010 7:37 am Hi, My BrailleNote PK died recently and I decided it wasn't worth the price to fix it, it needing a new memory board. So I am tentatively looking at braille display options. I need either to be able to write notes on the braille display, or for the display to work with my Nokia E5 mobile phone running Talks. Having used an 18 cell display for some time now I know I would not want to go below that. Am I right in thinking that the Focus 40 blue, at £1995 from Sight And Sound, would be the cheapest option? 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