[access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 01:14:48 -0000
Hi Paul
"another fulltime blind competent braillist."
But what if a sighted person was "competent braillist."
Regards, Derek
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Paul Leake
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 3:55 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
well glenn, we'll watch this space with interest about you taking on
another fulltime blind competent braillist. why didn't you pursue a strategy
to advertise the vacant post at the time if you were so keen to not pay
someone on an as and when basis thereby getting a post partially filled on
the cheap! the phrase putting money where mouth is comes to mind here!
Cheers
Paul
paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Tookey" <Glenn.Tookey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
> Jackie left sight and sound Technology, she did a great job. I have not
> found a suitable set of skills locally and so as it is important for me to
> have access to the very specific skills and knowledge that a blind person
> has I decided to use an associate who I know has an excellent reputation
> and high quality delivery skills.
>
> So, to try to wrap this up - S&ST has a policy of employing blind and VI
> people, that is what we are doing right now and in the long term I want
> more, not less people in my business with those skills.
>
> Unless anyone has missed it, the economic climate also governs what you
> spend your money on and when and the current arrangement seems to be
> working very well given all the objectives I need to meet.
>
> Jackie was brilliant and all the best to her, Jonathan is also brilliant
> and i am proud to have him working for us. There is no lack of desire on
> my part to employ blind people.
>
> Regard
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 05 November 2010 11:44
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
>
> Hi Derek
>
> I can only respond diplomatically by saying that it would have been
> appropriate and correct protocol to actually advertise the post to give
> the
> best opportunity to the best candidate. Sadly, this did not happen
> despite
> my attempts to persuade management to at least advertise in the normal
> way.
> But, as Mr Tookey has stated, he has someone who can do the job without
> necessarily being in the office, and if this works for S and S, then that
> is
> their call. I chose to leave for lots of reasons, all of which I have
> been
> able to justify and am extremely happy with. I also left in the knowledge
> that I did a good job as a Braillist and blind person, and made many
> friends
> from my two years as an employee there. Unfortunately, there was nobody
> in
> the whole company who knew grade two Braille at the time of my departure,
> which makes rather a mockery of selling blindness products to that
> intended
> audience. However, that was then and life for me has much more meaning
> and
> purpose than it has for a long time, so I wish everyone well.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
> J&M Work-Ability
>
> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.work-ability.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Derek Hornby
> Sent: 04 November 2010 15:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
>
> Hi Jackie
> Surely it would be bad management if one was to take on A member of
> staff
> on the basis blind.
>
> Staff should never be taken on based on disability, it should Always be
> based on ability to do the job, And also is there need for the extra
> job?
> Clearly in the case of Sight & Sound, they must feel they Have enough
> staff now.
> Regards, Derek
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Jackie Cairns
> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:31 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
>
> As you know Paul, I gave S and S every assistance I could to advertise and
> recruit a blind person with good Braille skills to become part of the
> company before I left. Sadly, however, nothing was done about it, I moved
> away, and thankfully we all appear to be happy with the paths we have
> taken.
> (smile).
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Cairns
> J&M Work-Ability
>
> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.work-ability.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Paul Leake
> Sent: 03 November 2010 22:28
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: FW: Re: Braille display options
>
> i think it is a great pity that a company the size of sight and sound
> chooses not to employ fulltime a blind person in such a role! this calls
> into question your commitment to employing blind people in my view! very
> poor indeed!
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
> paul.leake@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glenn Tookey" <Glenn.Tookey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:16 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] FW: Re: Braille display options
>
>
>> Actually we do have a blind person to demonstrate, train and support
>> our customer base. We have Jonathan Tyrer, who works UK wide for us in
>> this role. He is not a full time employee, but he works for us on a
>> day to day basis and has been successful. He has a very wide
>> experience base - not just Freedom products, but all software and
>> hardware and also more recently Apple solutions.
>>
>> This for me is what we are all about, looking after our customer base,
>> so if you would like to learn more about the Focus 40 Blue just
>> contact us and we will do our best to help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Glenn
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 November 2010 10:02
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options
>>
>> They don't have a blind person like myself to go out and demo, train
>> and support their Braille products as it currently stands and, in my
>> honest experience, there is nobody like a Braillist to really
>> demonstrate what a display or other similar hardware can do.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>>
>> jandm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
>> Sent: 02 November 2010 09:49
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options
>>
>> Ask Sight & Sound Catherine. Sight & Sound are aware that it does not
>> work with the N97 Mini as I told them. Also informed Freedom
>> Scientific.
>> Maybe
>> it has to do with N97 Mini being a 5th generation phone but it works
>> well with the other phones. Don't Sight & Sound have a service, well
>> they did when Jackie worked there, where someone would come out and
>> show you a Braille display, in that case, the person could try it with
>> our phone and then you would know before purchasing it. There is a
>> really nice man at Freedom Scientific who uses the Focus Blue all the
>> time with his phone. I wrote to him too re the drivers but whether
>> they do anything about it or not is anyone's guess. While I was
>> disappointed, I have to say of course that the Focus Blue is excellent
>> in conjunction with PC also.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Catherine Turner" <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:24 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Braille display options
>>
>>
>>> Ah. Did you ask the manufacturer about this? Is there a particular
>>> reason why it doesn't work with the n97 mini? Is there any way of
>>> knowing before purchase whether it would work or not. I will have to
>>> ask Sight And Sound about it, but presumably if it didn't work I
>>> could return it for a refund.
>>>
>>> Catherine
>>>
>>> On 11/3/10, Eleanor Burke <eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> you want to ensure that it will work as I got the Focus Blue and it
>>>> does not work with the N97 Mini but iT works with my other phones.
>>>> -original message-
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Braille display options
>>>> From: Catherine Turner <catherineturner2007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 02/11/2010 7:37 am
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> My BrailleNote PK died recently and I decided it wasn't worth the
>>>> price to fix it, it needing a new memory board. So I am tentatively
>>>> looking at braille display options. I need either to be able to
>>>> write notes on the braille display, or for the display to work with
>>>> my Nokia
>>>> E5 mobile phone running Talks. Having used an 18 cell display for
>>>> some time now I know I would not want to go below that.
>>>>
>>>> Am I right in thinking that the Focus 40 blue, at £1995 from Sight
>>>> And Sound, would be the cheapest option?
>>>>
>>>> Catherine
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