** File was empty ** They outsourced the management of the membership database and joining and renewals many years ago, and brought it back in a couple of years ago. I had similar problems with the first system, but they've largely fixed it all now. Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:23 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? Funny Damon, I had the same experience as you did with them. Certainly wasn't finger on the pulse!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:41 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider inaccessible? >I am a member as far as I'm aware. I got a phone call some >years ago > asking if I wanted to join and get a free magazine. Didn't > really hear > anything after that. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Dave Taylor > Sent: 21 July 2010 21:29 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > I suggest you join and find out! Go to their website and > find the link > to join! > > Cheers > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Damon Rose > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:21 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > I don't doubt it Dave. So how does one go about liaising > with the RNIB > on these matters. I'm not sure it's all that clear. > > Is there a point of contact? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Dave Taylor > Sent: 21 July 2010 19:51 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > As we're talking about the wide area of legislation on > gadgets and > accessibility in general, the answer has to be RNIB. > Whatever you think > of them, they have been the most effective campaign > organisation we have > for many years! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Damon Rose > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:11 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > So which UK organisation should one join if you want to > influence this > kind of thing, Dave? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Dave Taylor > Sent: 20 July 2010 13:38 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > Ah yes, that'll be the American blind lobby who put their > money where > their mouths are and join and support organisations, > something fewer and > fewer will do here! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Damon Rose > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:29 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > Well as RNIB's John Godbur was quietly suggesting on this > list a few > weeks ago, blind people in the UK don't shout loud enough, > Colin. If we > did then legislation might happen to force manufacturers > and service > providers into this. It would influence rich media > creators. It strikes > me that legislation is the only way forward and there's > not enough talk > about it here. > > It's thanks to the strength of the US disability and blind > lobby that > things like iPhone are now accessible across the world, > for instance. > > ...Damon > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Colin Fowler > Sent: 20 July 2010 12:28 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: What do you consider > inaccessible? > > I wholly agree, but I don't think that we're going to be > able to > influence the reliance on rich media content; look at > Jonathon Hassles > approach to this and maybe I am wrong. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Damon Rose <mailto:damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM > Subject: [access-uk] What do you consider inaccessible? > > > In all my web browsing, I find that my biggest problem is > websites that make jaws freeze or whip the cursor away. > > Lots of talk goes into accessibility of websites, putting > in alt > text, adding header tags, but the worst sites are the > dynamic ones that > have oodles of functionality and applets ... even if you > don't use them > they seem to affect the readability of the page. > > Usually I just want to read a page. I can live without > header > tags and alt text and the other little accessibliity > tickboxes like > using CSS structuring instead of tables. I can live with > all that ... > but I can't use websites that jump around all over the > place cos they're > loaded with fun. > > What I want to know is ... is it just me? Please respond > because > I'm keen to refocus the accessibility debate if I'm right. > > ...Damon > > > > > > > > Damon Rose > Senior Content Producer bbc.co.uk/ouch > BBC Vision Learning > > Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427) > email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx > > Have you heard the award-winning Ouch! Talk Show yet? 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