[AR] Re: starship pad flame trench?

  • From: Henry Spencer <hspencer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Arocket List <arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT)

On Sun, 23 Apr 2023, roxanna Mason wrote:

I agree but I reiterate, this was war and the nazi's cared little about
safety especially when they were losing that war.

Actually, the Germans were usually pretty solicitous about the health and safety of their *soldiers* -- sometimes more so than the US. But a lot of compromises get made in wartime, on all sides. (E.g., quite a few B-29 crews died because Boeing and the USAAF rushed the aircraft into service with inadequate attention to engine cooling in takeoff conditions... and with magnesium engine blocks, yet!) Which is why wartime equipment and procedures often get retired, or seriously revised, quite suddenly once peace breaks out.

I think a more likely explanation than the Germans being callous was the general lack of understanding about how careful you have to be with strong liquid oxidizers. Some LOX safety guides explicitly warn you that just because you got away with something a few times, doesn't mean it's safe. That's a recipe for trouble when trying something out in a big hurry...

(Hmm, I don't remember such a step being shown in the Operation Backfire films -- I think I'd have noticed. Where is it in Dornberger's book? I took a quick look but couldn't find it.)

BTW, here's a good video by Scott Manley about the Starship launch which includes good shots of the crater dig by the engine blast. Pretty impressive. https://youtu.be/w8q24QLXixo

Thanks for the URL! Manley does his usual good job. Interesting to see him commenting on some of the plume oddities -- I remember thinking "there sure are a lot of odd-looking things happening in that exhaust plume...".

Henry

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