Who told you that it's misogynist? It isn't about all women. It's a specific
situation. Was the person a woman?
Miriam
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 3:07 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song you might like.
Since Stairway to Heaven came across so entirely different to me when I heard
it without the music and without it being sung I decided to look up the lyrics
to Dazed and Confused too. I can report that even though it came across
entirely differently without the music and being sung too my interpretation of
it remains the same. It appears to be the point of view of a man who is being
emotionally abused by a woman and he is so addicted to her that he keeps coming
back for more abuse. And I still don't think it is the least bit misogynist.
But I am still not into poetry and I really prefer both of these songs as songs
rather than as poetry. Here are the lyrics to Dazed and Confused:
Been dazed and confused
For so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Lotsa people talkin',
Few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below, yeah
You hurt and abuse,
Tellin' all of your lies
Run 'round, sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you been
Gonna love you, baby, here I come again
Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard-earned pay
Try to love you, baby, but you push me away
Don't know where you're goin',
Only know just where you've been
Sweet little baby, I want you again
Ah, ah, ah, ah
(Did you ever look up my woman)
Ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, ah
Ahh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahhh, ahh
Oh, yeah, alright, alright
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah
Ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah
Oh, I don't like when you're mystifyin' me
Oh, don't leave me so confused, now
Whoa, baby
Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Take it easy, baby,
Let them say what they will
Tongue wag so much when I send you the bill,
Oh, yeah, alright
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief
and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your
patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's
wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly
bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically
demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to
follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we
created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D.
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 1:02 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger,
I listened to the song twice, and I confirmed what I was afraid has
happened. While I still seem to hear normal conversation, my hearing
has changed to the point that the music garbles the lyrics. The only
clear words I got came at the very end, "And she's buying the stairway
to heaven".
I used to have above average hearing, but in some situations where
multiple sounds mix together, I'm having a difficult time following
one thread. I'll need to find a link that takes me to just the lyrics
before I can comment on them.
Along with living 86 years comes this darned thing called "The Aging
Process", a nice way of saying that our parts are wearing out. When
we first bought our get away cabin out here in the Wilds of the Great
Olympic Peninsula in 1987, I could stand on the deck and hear what
sounded like a sizzling. It was very faint, and in the city it was
not even noticeable. Today, some 34 years later, the sizzle has grown
to the point that it is always noticeable. Many little changes keep
showing up. While we felt that we were forcced to retire a year
earlier than we had planned, I can't imagine that I would be an
encouraging sight to an older, newly blind client watching me hobble
up to their door. Remember, most blind folks have varying degrees of
useful vision. As my dear old neighbor used to tell me when I asked
her how she was doing, "My get up and go has got up and went."
Carl Jarvis
On 6/7/21, Carl Jarvis <mailto:carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Roger.
I do use You Tube for lots of off-beat music. Paul Robeson for
example. One of my personal human rights heroes, as well as the
greatest baritone ever.
I have a shelf above my computer that holds about 120 CD's. Most of
them have only been played once. Collecting them over several years
seemed like a good idea, but playing them while working became too
distracting. Pulling up You Tube is easier when I take a break and
relax.
I'll let you know any thoughts next time I listen to Led Zeppelin and
the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/6/21, Roger Loran Bailey <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, you really ought to listen to the lyrics. It is disdainful of the
woman who thinks all that glitters is gold and her temerity at trying to
buy the stairway to heaven. All of that seems to mesh with the kind of
things you habitually say. As for buying it, frankly, I haven't been
willing to actually pay for music since I was a teenager. Anyway, even
if I did have any lingering lust for paying for music I don't need to.
Just like I was able to call up this one by typing in a very few search
terms I can call up pretty much any other piece of music I might want to
hear. You can too. Just go to You Tube and enter the name and band name
of your choice and in short order you will be hearing that big band
music you like. There are other choices too. Even though I knew about it
I had not really listened to much death metal music until I downloaded
the Tapin radio software for free. I did a search there and found
several death metal stations that play around the clock with no
commercials. I found out that I rather like death metal. Now I can find
the same stations on my Victor reader. And, oh, I think I can just about
guarantee that you wouldn't like any examples of death metal. Led
Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are really tame in comparison.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/6/2021 5:23 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
You're right, Roger. While I am not a fan of the lead singer, the
overall effect is soothing. And they don't become frantic at the end.
Some groups just can't help themselves. They create a soothing sound
that flows through my Soul...and suddenly they go bananas. I have to
admit, I listened to the total effect, not the lyrics. And the total
effect was fine. So I browsed a number of Led Zeppelin songs, and
found that I would never pay for any Led Zeppelin albums.
The problem is within me. I grew up with the Big Band sound, and went
along with the goosey loosey music of the fifties. I was moved by
much of the creativeness of the sixties and seventies, but struggled
with Hip Hop and Grunge. And as far as Rap goes...it can go. Write
me a short poem telling me your troubles, but please don't put it to
music and snarl out the lyrics over and over and over...
Actually there is not much music that I don't care for. I enjoy
Country, especially the older forties and fifties, and I love
Classical...excluding Chamber Music, and most Jazz except the stuff
that goes piddling around and wanders off in four directions at once.
Did I forget Blue Grass? There's just not much I don't like. But if
it jars my nerves...well that's not music to me.
But thanks for showing me that even a group that I have avoided, even
they have some redeeming grace.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/5/21, Roger Loran Bailey <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, okay, you didn't like Dazed and Confused. I am pretty sure you
probably would not like much else that Led Zeppelin ever did either.
However, there is one Led Zeppelin song that I think you just might
like. I said that I had never paid attention to the words in Dazed and
Confused before, but in this one the words are so clear and so out
front
that it would be difficult to listen to it without paying attention to
it. Furthermore I think you just might be in agreement with the
sentiments expressed in this one. It is certainly disdainful of greed
and privilege. It is Stairway to Heaven. Let me know if you do like
this
one from Led Zeppelin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkF3oxziUI4
--
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something
were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for
the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept