Well I listened, and was able to understand many of the lyrics. But I
would need to listen several times if I were to form an opinion
regarding what the lyrics are saying. The arrangement is cleverly
done, but I get no satisfaction from it. I suspect that we relate
events with the popular music, especially in our youth. The
association of certain kinds of music with emotional events in our
lives probably has a lot to do with what moves us.
But thanks for the interesting links. I listened to music that I
would never have listened to if you'd not posted them.
And now back to Bing Crosby and Perry Como.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/7/21, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song you might like.
It was just an acquaintance of mine who was giving me a ride. I happened
to mention that my two favorite Led Zeppelin songs were Dazed and
Confused and
Whole Lot of Love and he told me that Dazed and Confused was misogynist.
He was male. I had said that I liked the song for years without ever
having paid
attention to the lyrics and I think the same applied to him. He heard
that line about the soul of a woman being created below and jumped to
the conclusion
that it was about all women. Then there we were having an argument, a
friendly argument in the car about the song without either of us knowing
very clearly
what the lyrics actually were. But that inspired me to look up the song
on You Tube when I got home and I posted the link to it here to get the
opinions
of people on this list. Now that I have read the lyrics completely
through I am even more convinced that I am right. By the way, this
didn't come up, but
I also happen to think that other song, Whole lot of Love is about anal
sex. Here is the link to that one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's
wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and
nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly
bloated nipple
we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates
God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his
evidence
to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God,
and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche
Wept
On 6/7/2021 3:33 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
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Who told you that it's misogynist? It isn't about all women. It's a
specific situation. Was the person a woman?
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song you might like.
Since Stairway to Heaven came across so entirely different to me when I
heard it without the music and without it being sung I decided to look
up the lyrics
to Dazed and Confused too. I can report that even though it came across
entirely differently without the music and being sung too my
interpretation of
it remains the same. It appears to be the point of view of a man who is
being emotionally abused by a woman and he is so addicted to her that he
keeps
coming back for more abuse. And I still don't think it is the least bit
misogynist. But I am still not into poetry and I really prefer both of
these songs
as songs rather than as poetry. Here are the lyrics to Dazed and Confused:
Been dazed and confused
For so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Lotsa people talkin',
Few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below, yeah
You hurt and abuse,
Tellin' all of your lies
Run 'round, sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you been
Gonna love you, baby, here I come again
Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard-earned pay
Try to love you, baby, but you push me away
Don't know where you're goin',
Only know just where you've been
Sweet little baby, I want you again
Ah, ah, ah, ah
(Did you ever look up my woman)
Ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, ah
Ahh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahhh, ahh
Oh, yeah, alright, alright
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah
Ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah
Oh, I don't like when you're mystifyin' me
Oh, don't leave me so confused, now
Whoa, baby
Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Take it easy, baby,
Let them say what they will
Tongue wag so much when I send you the bill,
Oh, yeah, alright
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's
wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and
nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly
bloated nipple
we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates
God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his
evidence
to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God,
and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche
Wept
On 6/7/2021 1:02 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
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Roger, I listened to the song twice, and I confirmed what I was afraid
hashappened. While I still seem to hear normal conversation, my
hearinghas changed
to the point that the music garbles the lyrics. The onlyclear words I
got came at the very end, "And she's buying the stairwayto heaven".I
used to have
above average hearing, but in some situations wheremultiple sounds mix
together, I'm having a difficult time followingone thread. I'll need to
find a
link that takes me to just the lyricsbefore I can comment on them.Along
with living 86 years comes this darned thing called "The AgingProcess",
a nice
way of saying that our parts are wearing out. Whenwe first bought our
get away cabin out here in the Wilds of the GreatOlympic Peninsula in
1987, I could
stand on the deck and hear whatsounded like a sizzling. It was very
faint, and in the city it wasnot even noticeable. Today, some 34 years
later, the
sizzle has grownto the point that it is always noticeable. Many little
changes keepshowing up. While we felt that we were forcced to retire a
yearearlier
than we had planned, I can't imagine that I would be anencouraging sight
to an older, newly blind client watching me hobbleup to their door.
Remember,
most blind folks have varying degrees ofuseful vision. As my dear old
neighbor used to tell me when I askedher how she was doing, "My get up
and go has
got up and went." Carl Jarvis On 6/7/21, Carl Jarvis
<carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Roger.I do use You Tube for
lots of off-beat music. Paul Robeson forexample. One of my personal
human rights
heroes, as well as thegreatest baritone ever.I have a shelf above my
computer that holds about 120 CD's. Most ofthem have only been played
once. Collecting
them over several yearsseemed like a good idea, but playing them while
working became toodistracting. Pulling up You Tube is easier when I
take a break
andrelax.I'll let you know any thoughts next time I listen to Led
Zeppelin andthe lyrics to Stairway to Heaven.Carl Jarvis On 6/6/21,
Roger Loran Bailey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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Carl, you really ought to listen to the lyrics. It is disdainful of
thewoman who thinks all that glitters is gold and her temerity at trying
tobuy the
stairway to heaven. All of that seems to mesh with the kind ofthings you
habitually say. As for buying it, frankly, I haven't beenwilling to
actually pay
for music since I was a teenager. Anyway, evenif I did have any
lingering lust for paying for music I don't need to.Just like I was able
to call up this
one by typing in a very few searchterms I can call up pretty much any
other piece of music I might want tohear. You can too. Just go to You
Tube and enter
the name and band nameof your choice and in short order you will be
hearing that big bandmusic you like. There are other choices too. Even
though I knew
about itI had not really listened to much death metal music until I
downloadedthe Tapin radio software for free. I did a search there and
foundseveral
death metal stations that play around the clock with nocommercials. I
found out that I rather like death metal. Now I can findthe same
stations on my Victor
reader. And, oh, I think I can just aboutguarantee that you wouldn't
like any examples of death metal. LedZeppelin and Black Sabbath are
really tame in
comparison. ___ Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is
arrived at throughdisbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike
wishing something
wereso! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is
simplya child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish
for theeveastingly
bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theoryscientifically
demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself hadnot the courage
to follow
his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,you must realize that we
created God, and that all of us together nowhave killed him.” ― Irvin D.
Yalom, When
Nietzsche WeptOn 6/6/2021 5:23 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
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You're right, Roger. While I am not a fan of the lead singer,
theoverall effect is soothing. And they don't become frantic at the
end.Some groups just
can't help themselves. They create a soothing soundthat flows through
my Soul...and suddenly they go bananas. I have toadmit, I listened to
the total
effect, not the lyrics. And the totaleffect was fine. So I browsed a
number of Led Zeppelin songs, andfound that I would never pay for any
Led Zeppelin
albums.The problem is within me. I grew up with the Big Band sound, and
wentalong with the goosey loosey music of the fifties. I was moved bymuch
of
the creativeness of the sixties and seventies, but struggledwith Hip Hop
and Grunge. And as far as Rap goes...it can go. Writeme a short poem
telling
me your troubles, but please don't put it tomusic and snarl out the
lyrics over and over and over...Actually there is not much music that I
don't care
for. I enjoyCountry, especially the older forties and fifties, and I
loveClassical...excluding Chamber Music, and most Jazz except the
stuffthat goes
piddling around and wanders off in four directions at once.Did I forget
Blue Grass? There's just not much I don't like. But ifit jars my
nerves...well
that's not music to me.But thanks for showing me that even a group that
I have avoided, eventhey have some redeeming grace. Carl Jarvis On
6/5/21, Roger
Loran Bailey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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Carl, okay, you didn't like Dazed and Confused. I am pretty sure
youprobably would not like much else that Led Zeppelin ever did
either.However, there
is one Led Zeppelin song that I think you just mightlike. I said that I
had never paid attention to the words in Dazed andConfused before, but
in this
one the words are so clear and so outfrontthat it would be difficult to
listen to it without paying attention toit. Furthermore I think you just
might
be in agreement with thesentiments expressed in this one. It is
certainly disdainful of greedand privilege. It is Stairway to Heaven.
Let me know if you
do likethisone from Led Zeppelin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkF3oxziUI4
--Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at
throughdisbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing
somethingwereso! Your patient's
wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simplya child's wish—and
nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish fortheeveastingly bloated
nipple we
have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theoryscientifically demonstrates God's
redundancy—though Darwin himself hadnot the courage to follow his
evidence to
its true conclusion. Surely,you must realize that we created God, and
that all of us together nowhave killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche Wept
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Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept