No, Miriam, I noticed all of that and I also notice that you are again
doing something that is a very annoying habit of yours. You are trying
to make yourself out to be a victim by making things up out of thin air
and misinterpreting what I say. Now you have it that just because I am
talking about prudery I am somehow calling you names. It is true that it
was your comments that got me to be talking about prudery, but I am
still talking about prudery, not you. Remember what I said about
imposing interpretations? Mustafa had it that the Qur'an predicted black
holes. That was his interpretation. I read the passage in question and
it was something about smoke. It had nothing whatsoever to do with black
holes. I have seen the same thing done with Nostradamus. People will say
that he predicted something that happened in history later on, perhaps
centuries later. Then I read the passage that was supposed to make the
prediction and it didn't say anything remotely like it is claimed that
it says. This is imposing interpretation on something. Someone decides
beforehand what they want it to say and then pick out a passage and
decide what their interpretation of the passage is going to be. But then
the passage still says the same thing and just keeps on saying that same
thing no matter how many interpretations are given to it. Well, you do
the same thing to what I have to say. For whatever reason you are
determined that I am going to insult you or criticize you for things
that I am not criticizing you about and you just impose that
interpretation on what I have to say. And just like the Qur'an or
Nostradamus what I actually said remains what I actually said. Okay, if
you are so anxious for me to criticize you then here is a criticism and
you don't have to do any interpretation. I mean what I say and say what
I mean. Because I say what I mean and mean what I say interpretation is
completely unnecessary and is bound to be an incorrect interpretation
anyway. When I talk about a subject that may have been based on
something you said I am still talking about the subject, not you. For
you to take everything so personally is a really annoying habit of
yours. I wish you would stop it. That is a criticism.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/8/2021 1:34 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Roger,
So, did you not notice that before I talked about my own personal taste in music, I said that I don't begrudge anyone else's choice to enjoy the music that I don't like? I actually said the same thing in different words, a few times. I never suggested that the music be banned. That being said, do I not have a right to express my personal distaste for it without having you describe people who don't like it in negative terms? Are you saying that certain opinions should be banned from an email list because you disagree with them? If not, then when you began talking about the people who wish to censor content, you should have been clear that you differentiated between those people and people who just express publicly, their dislike of the content, just as I made clear that I accepted people's right to like music that I don't like.
Miriam
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Miriam, it seems to me that you are determined to have someone put you down so you look for ways to interpret a comment as a put down. Let me explain my problem with prudery. Prudery is a problem on two levels, political and personal. On a political level it has to be fought on a political level. Most often, though, there are other political fights that take priority. On a polittical level it takes the form of censorship. As for myself, I may find those so-called fuck books boring, but I have no problem at all with other people reading them. The censor, though, just can't stand it if someone else wants to read that kind of stuff and the objection is not that it is boring either. It is a moral crusade on their part. I think I have mentioned before that I avoid the word moral or its variations like morality because it is most often used to deride other people for minding their own business. And, yes, the political prude just can't stand it if other people are minding their own business. They actually fight for the passage of laws that would keep other people from minding their own business. That is not just censorship of reading material, movies and music. They also want laws to be passed that will prescribe who may have sex with whom under what circumstances and even diown to the sex acts that they may engage in. All of that self righteous interference in other people's business really rankles me. Then there is prudery on a personal level. That can't really be fought politically. But the prudes are really good at making jerks of themselves. It is their self righteous judgementalism. They are in a perpetual state of disapproval about things that are not their business. I have explained my objections to bible thumpers before and these self righteous prudes tend to be bible thumpers too. They are not always so though. I have actually met people whoare in a constant state of disapproval of other people's attitudes toward sex who do not push religion. They still manage to be obnoxious, though, even if it is not obnoxious on a religious level. And I have noticed characteristics that people like that do tend to have in common. Pleease notice that I did use the word tend. Their constant state of disapproval tends to extend to other things that are not related to sex, per se. They will also express disapproval in other people's choices in movies, books, music clothing styles and so forth. It is as if their main goal in life is to make themselves as obnoxious as possible.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/8/2021 9:54 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I suppose that's what it suggests. It wouldn't have occurred to
me, but I think you're right. And I am an old woman so even though
I'm not a grandmother because my daughters never had children, if
you'd like to call me a prude, you're certainly welcome to do so.
As I said previously, I don't have any quarrel with someone who
wants to listen to that kind of music, but I don't like it. To me,
it's unpleasant, to say the least. If that makes me a prude, so
be it. You've chosen various other labels for me before which, to
your mind are negative. It's not a particularly positive way to
relate to fellow list members. It's one thing to give one's
opinion on a subject and to discuss the subject and trade
opinions. It's a very different thing to derogate the character of
the list member who gives the opinion.
On an entirely different subject, you mentioned in one of your
messages that you worked in a porn shop. In another message a
while ago, you said that you controlled the lights in a bar or
nightclub or someplace where there were floor shows. That caused
me to wonder. Given the fact that you have a college education and
that you are extremely intelligent, why didn't you work in the
scientific field or in academia?
Miriam
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might like.
Okay, they are suggestive. In Whole Lot of Love I think they are
suggestive of anal sex. You still haven't said whether you agree.
But so what? Other songs are suggestive of other things. I don't
see how it matters. I am curious about whether I am correct about
exactly what is being suggested, but, like I said, I like Whole
Lot of Love because of it overall sound and I especially like the
atonal part. Whatever it is being suggestive about does not
distract from that. A lot of explicit description of sex in a
novel does distract from that and makes it kind of boring, but in
a song whatever is being implied or not implied is irrelevant to
the effect of the whole song. Getting upset about sexual
implications in a song strikes me as another kind of
gratuitousness, gratuitous prudery. It all reminds me of old
grandmothers with buttoned up collars up to their chins and high
laced boots under their ankle length dresses sitting around tut
tutting about them young hussies who have the brazen temerity to
walk down the street showing their knees. It all causes me to have
the urge to roll my eyes.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at
through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing
something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not
truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish
not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated nipple we have
labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates
God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to
follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have
killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 10:16 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Maybe you're correct in the literal sense. But the words, the
moans and other vocal sounds are so suggestive, that they
might as well be explicit.
Miriam
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might like.
Actually, I don't see how you could say that the sex is
explicit in Whole Lot of Love. It seems to me to be only
implied. But I am inclined to agree with you about explicit
descriptions of sex in books. Well, I don't agree in the way
you express it. I agree in that I can well do without it.
That's because it's boring. There are only so many body parts
that can be rubbed against so many body parts and there are
only so many ways to describe it. After you have read all of
those ways to describe it so many times it just doesn't
engender much interest anymore. Furthermore, I get to thinking
what the book would be like without the explicit description
of sex. If the descriptions are only now and then it doesn't
seem to have much effect and I can read those descriptions
without getting too bored even if I don't think they are
necessary. I will admit that sometimes, though, they are
important to the story, but it seems that for the most part
they are gratuitous. If they are a major part of the book then
they are most likely to be majorly gratuitous. In a case like
that if the descriptions of sex are removed there is not much
substance left. That shows that the main purpose of the book
in question was to explicitly describe sex. But I am reminded
of something else from when I was in the seventh grade. Or it
may have been the eighth grade. It was some time in junior
high school. I don't now remember how I came into possession
of these, but I did acquire some books that were explicitly
written as porn. Among the students in my school they were
called fuck books. The first one I read with extreme interest.
I can even say that it was titillating. The second one was
too, but I started to get tired of it before I finished. Then
I started the third one. Okay, the setting had changed and the
names of the characters had changed, but it was the same old
stuff that the other two had in it and I found it really
boring by that time. I had some more and I may have flipped
through them, but I didn't care to read more. I just passed
them all on to someone else who was excited about reading the
forbidden fruit. I never picked up another one until many
years later when I found myself with a job as a clerk in a
porn shop. Most of the porn was in the form of picture books
that rested on racks that lined the wall and that we called
magazines even though they were not periodicals. But in the
middle of the floor there was a bin that contained a pile of
those so-called fuck books. I flipped through some of them and
read a few passages, but I quickly saw that it was the same
old stuff and still just as boring. But back to music. Again,
I heard nothing in Whole Lot of Love that I would call
explicit description of sex and I don't think I have heard
that in any other song either. There are a lot of songs out
there that imply sex to one degree or another, but I really
don't think I have ever heard one that actually describes it
except, perhaps, some drinking songs sung by complete amateurs
while more than a little drunk. I have never heard it in a
commercial recording though.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at
through disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike
wishing something were so! Your patient's wish to be in God's
hands is not truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing
more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly
bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin
himself had not the courage to follow his evidence to its true
conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we created God, and
that all of us together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D.
Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 9:36 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Well first, I think that when your textbook was referring
to atonal music, it was talking about classical music, not
popular music. For people who enjoy traditional classical
music, that atonal classical music is very jarring and it
doesn't fulfill the needs that we are accustomed to music
fulfilling.
As for the lyrics, and the others which imply explicit
sex, I find those kinds of songs to be in bad taste. I
don't like novels which describe sex in explicit detail,
that go on for paragraph after paragraph. To me,
they'repornographic and to me, so are songs like the ones
whose lyrics you've provided. I don't begrudge anyone who
enjoys the books or the songs, but to me, they're not
enjoyable. To me, sex can be wonderful and enjoyable, but
it's private. One can allude to it in a book without going
into detail, just as one can listen to love songs without
lyrics about the physical dynamics of sexual intercourse.
Miriam
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*Subject:* [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song
you might like.
I am learning that I really don't like lyrics very much
that are out of the context of the song they are from. It
seems to change their meaning or robs them of any meaning
at all. I also think that a lot of the meaning in the
lyrics are contained in the way the singer sings them. In
Whole Lot of Love I think the moaning and gasping quality
of Robert Plants voice contributes to any meaning the song
has. It really does imply some kind of sexual ecstasy.
Perhaps what divorcing the lyrics from the song is really
doing is just exposing the vacuousness of the songs that
are vacuous in the first place. But I went ahead and
copied the lyrics for Whole lot of Love. First, though,
let me mention this. Back when I was about twelve years
old and in the seventh grade I had a music class. The
textbook for the class was explaining different kinds of
music. It mentioned atonal music. It said that some people
claim to like atonal music, but that they were likely not
telling the truth. It said that they were most likely
trying to set themselves apart or just trying to be
different. At that time I had never heard atonal music as
far as I knew, but I could not help thinking that the
author of that textbook was an arrogant jerk. That is,
just because he didn't like something he just declared
that anyone who said that they did like it had to be
lying. I later found out that the places that I would most
likely hear atonal music was the background music for
action and thriller movies. Sometimes when there is
intense action on the screen they use orchestral atonal
music as background to heighten the excitement. I still
had not heard atonal music in the context of a piece of
music presented as just a piece of music by itself. The
first time I ever heard that was in Led Zeppelin's Whole
Lot of Love. If you listened to even the first part of it
you will know that it is not all atonal, but as the song
progresses it fades into atonality. That is the part where
Robert Plant, the lead singer, starts with the moans and
groans. Again,, I think that is important to determining
what the song is really all about. But I found that I did
like the atonal part. Just like Dazed and Confused my
liking of the song has little to do with the lyrics. It
has to do with the sound of the whole song. But I can
assure you that even though the atonal part is largely why
I like the song it has nothing to do with my trying to set
myself apart or trying to be different. I really do like
it. Anyway, the point came that I started suspecting that
the song was about anal sex. Up to a certain point it
didn't have to be. All this stuff about every inch of my
love and way deep down inside and so forth could just as
well be referring to vaginal sex, but the wording just was
not quite the way that vaginal sex would be expected to be
described. The clenches, though, was that part right
toward the end where the singer says, "I want to be your
back door man." Back door is exactly the phrase that
commonly describes anal sex. Anyway, even though I think
it detracts from whatever meaning the song has here are
the lyrics:
You need cooling
Baby I'm not fooling
I'm gonna send ya
Back to schooling
A-way down inside
A-honey you need it
I'm gonna give you my love
I'm gonna give you my love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
You've been learning
Um baby I been learning
All them good times baby, baby
I've been year-yearning
A-way, way down inside
A-honey you need-ah
I'm gonna give you my love, ah
I'm gonna give you my love, ah oh
Whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
You've been cooling
And baby I've been drooling
All the good times, baby
I've been misusing
A-way, way down inside
I'm gonna give ya my love
I'm gonna give ya every inch of my love
I'm gonna give ya my love
Hey!
Alright! Let's go!
Whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Way down inside
Woman, you need, yeah
Love
My, my, my, my
My, my, my, my
Lord
Shake for me girl
I wanna be your backdoor man
Hey, oh, hey, oh
Hey, oh, hey, oh
Ooh
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Cool, my, my baby
A-keep it cooling baby
A-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived
at through disbelief and skepticism, not through a
childlike wishing something were so! Your patient's wish
to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a child's
wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for
the eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'!
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates God's
redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the courage to
follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you
must realize that we created God, and that all of us
together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 4:23 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Well, if you send the lyrics, I'll hazard an opinion.
It's hard to hear them and I really don't like
listening to that kind of music. I started thinking
about the lyrics of the popular songs of the 30's and
40's that I like and no one could ever be confused
about their meaning. "All of Me", "I Walk Alone"
(during WW2), or folk music like, "Kisses Sweeter
Than Wine".
Miriam
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*Subject:* Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led
Zeppelin song you might like.
It was just an acquaintance of mine who was giving me
a ride. I happened to mention that my two favorite Led
Zeppelin songs were Dazed and Confused and Whole Lot
of Love and he told me that Dazed and Confused was
misogynist. He was male. I had said that I liked the
song for years without ever having paid attention to
the lyrics and I think the same applied to him. He
heard that line about the soul of a woman being
created below and jumped to the conclusion that it was
about all women. Then there we were having an
argument, a friendly argument in the car about the
song without either of us knowing very clearly what
the lyrics actually were. But that inspired me to look
up the song on You Tube when I got home and I posted
the link to it here to get the opinions of people on
this list. Now that I have read the lyrics completely
through I am even more convinced that I am right. By
the way, this didn't come up, but I also happen to
think that other song, Whole lot of Love is about anal
sex. Here is the link to that one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k>
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is
arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not
through a childlike wishing something were so! Your
patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It
is simply a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a
wish not to die, a wish for the eveastingly bloated
nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though
Darwin himself had not the courage to follow his
evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us
together now have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 3:33 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Who told you that it's misogynist? It isn't about
all women. It's a specific situation. Was the
person a woman?
Miriam
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*Subject:* [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led
Zeppelin song you might like.
Since Stairway to Heaven came across so entirely
different to me when I heard it without the music
and without it being sung I decided to look up the
lyrics to Dazed and Confused too. I can report
that even though it came across entirely
differently without the music and being sung too
my interpretation of it remains the same. It
appears to be the point of view of a man who is
being emotionally abused by a woman and he is so
addicted to her that he keeps coming back for more
abuse. And I still don't think it is the least bit
misogynist. But I am still not into poetry and I
really prefer both of these songs as songs rather
than as poetry. Here are the lyrics to Dazed and
Confused:
Been dazed and confused
For so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Lotsa people talkin',
Few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below, yeah
You hurt and abuse,
Tellin' all of your lies
Run 'round, sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you been
Gonna love you, baby, here I come again
Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my
hard-earned pay
Try to love you, baby, but you push me away
Don't know where you're goin',
Only know just where you've been
Sweet little baby, I want you again
Ah, ah, ah, ah
(Did you ever look up my woman)
Ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, ah
Ahh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahhh, ahh
Oh, yeah, alright, alright
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah
Ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah
Oh, I don't like when you're mystifyin' me
Oh, don't leave me so confused, now
Whoa, baby
Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Take it easy, baby,
Let them say what they will
Tongue wag so much when I send you the bill,
Oh, yeah, alright
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is
arrived at through disbelief and skepticism, not
through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not
truth. It is simply a child's wish—and nothing
more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'!
Evolutionary theory scientifically demonstrates
God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not the
courage to follow his evidence to its true
conclusion. Surely, you must realize that we
created God, and that all of us together now have
killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 1:02 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger,
I listened to the song twice, and I confirmed what I
was afraid has
happened. While I still seem to hear normal
conversation, my hearing
has changed to the point that the music garbles the
lyrics. The only
clear words I got came at the very end, "And she's
buying the stairway
to heaven".
I used to have above average hearing, but in some
situations where
multiple sounds mix together, I'm having a difficult
time following
one thread. I'll need to find a link that takes me to
just the lyrics
before I can comment on them.
Along with living 86 years comes this darned thing called
"The Aging
Process", a nice way of saying that our parts are
wearing out. When
we first bought our get away cabin out here in the
Wilds of the Great
Olympic Peninsula in 1987, I could stand on the deck
and hear what
sounded like a sizzling. It was very faint, and in the
city it was
not even noticeable. Today, some 34 years later, the
sizzle has grown
to the point that it is always noticeable. Many little
changes keep
showing up. While we felt that we were forcced to
retire a year
earlier than we had planned, I can't imagine that I
would be an
encouraging sight to an older, newly blind client
watching me hobble
up to their door. Remember, most blind folks have
varying degrees of
useful vision. As my dear old neighbor used to tell
me when I asked
her how she was doing, "My get up and go has got up and
went."
Carl Jarvis
On 6/7/21, Carl Jarvis<carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Roger.
I do use You Tube for lots of off-beat music. Paul
Robeson for
example. One of my personal human rights heroes,
as well as the
greatest baritone ever.
I have a shelf above my computer that holds about
120 CD's. Most of
them have only been played once. Collecting them
over several years
seemed like a good idea, but playing them while
working became too
distracting. Pulling up You Tube is easier when I
take a break and
relax.
I'll let you know any thoughts next time I listen
to Led Zeppelin and
the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/6/21, Roger Loran
Bailey<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Carl, you really ought to listen to the lyrics.
It is disdainful of the
woman who thinks all that glitters is gold and
her temerity at trying to
buy the stairway to heaven. All of that seems
to mesh with the kind of
things you habitually say. As for buying it,
frankly, I haven't been
willing to actually pay for music since I was a
teenager. Anyway, even
if I did have any lingering lust for paying for
music I don't need to.
Just like I was able to call up this one by
typing in a very few search
terms I can call up pretty much any other piece
of music I might want to
hear. You can too. Just go to You Tube and
enter the name and band name
of your choice and in short order you will be
hearing that big band
music you like. There are other choices too.
Even though I knew about it
I had not really listened to much death metal
music until I downloaded
the Tapin radio software for free. I did a
search there and found
several death metal stations that play around
the clock with no
commercials. I found out that I rather like
death metal. Now I can find
the same stations on my Victor reader. And, oh,
I think I can just about
guarantee that you wouldn't like any examples
of death metal. Led
Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are really tame in
comparison.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued,
"is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a
childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is
not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish
not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled
'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's
redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its
true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that
all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When
Nietzsche Wept
On 6/6/2021 5:23 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
You're right, Roger. While I am not a fan
of the lead singer, the
overall effect is soothing. And they don't
become frantic at the end.
Some groups just can't help themselves.
They create a soothing sound
that flows through my Soul...and suddenly
they go bananas. I have to
admit, I listened to the total effect, not
the lyrics. And the total
effect was fine. So I browsed a number of
Led Zeppelin songs, and
found that I would never pay for any Led
Zeppelin albums.
The problem is within me. I grew up with
the Big Band sound, and went
along with the goosey loosey music of the
fifties. I was moved by
much of the creativeness of the sixties and
seventies, but struggled
with Hip Hop and Grunge. And as far as Rap
goes...it can go. Write
me a short poem telling me your troubles,
but please don't put it to
music and snarl out the lyrics over and
over and over...
Actually there is not much music that I
don't care for. I enjoy
Country, especially the older forties and
fifties, and I love
Classical...excluding Chamber Music, and
most Jazz except the stuff
that goes piddling around and wanders off
in four directions at once.
Did I forget Blue Grass? There's just not
much I don't like. But if
it jars my nerves...well that's not music
to me.
But thanks for showing me that even a group
that I have avoided, even
they have some redeeming grace.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/5/21, Roger Loran
Bailey<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Carl, okay, you didn't like Dazed and
Confused. I am pretty sure you
probably would not like much else that
Led Zeppelin ever did either.
However, there is one Led Zeppelin song
that I think you just might
like. I said that I had never paid
attention to the words in Dazed and
Confused before, but in this one the
words are so clear and so out
front
that it would be difficult to listen to
it without paying attention to
it. Furthermore I think you just might
be in agreement with the
sentiments expressed in this one. It is
certainly disdainful of greed
and privilege. It is Stairway to
Heaven. Let me know if you do like
this
one from Led
Zeppelin:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkF3oxziUI4 ;
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkF3oxziUI4>
--
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued,
"is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a
childlike wishing something
were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's
hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is
a wish not to die, a wish for
the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have
labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's
redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence
to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God,
and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom,
When Nietzsche Wept