Well now I've listened to the lyrics. I believe that lyrics are as
tied to their times as are novels or TV series and movies.
These lyrics must have meaning to the folks who follow this brand of
music. But they have no sentimental meaning for me. Nor are they
inspiring.
Nor do they bridge one time period with today's world. But years down
the road some white haired elder will hear the tune and begin
muttering the lyrics, and they will bring back some long forgotten
good times.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/8/21, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Roger,
So, did you not notice that before I talked about my own personal taste in
music, I said that I don't begrudge anyone else's choice to enjoy the music
that I don't like? I actually said the same thing in different words, a few
times. I never suggested that the music be banned. That being said, do I
not have a right to express my personal distaste for it without having you
describe people who don't like it in negative terms? Are you saying that
certain opinions should be banned from an email list because you disagree
with them? If not, then when you began talking about the people who wish to
censor content, you should have been clear that you differentiated between
those people and people who just express publicly, their dislike of the
content, just as I made clear that I accepted people's right to like music
that I don't like.
Miriam
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Miriam, it seems to me that you are determined to have someone put you down
so you look for ways to interpret a comment as a put down. Let me explain my
problem with prudery. Prudery is a problem on two levels, political and
personal. On a political level it has to be fought on a political level.
Most often, though, there are other political fights that take priority. On
a polittical level it takes the form of censorship. As for myself, I may
find those so-called fuck books boring, but I have no problem at all with
other people reading them. The censor, though, just can't stand it if
someone else wants to read that kind of stuff and the objection is not that
it is boring either. It is a moral crusade on their part. I think I have
mentioned before that I avoid the word moral or its variations like morality
because it is most often used to deride other people for minding their own
business. And, yes, the political prude just can't stand it if other people
are minding their own business. They actually fight for the passage of laws
that would keep other people from minding their own business. That is not
just censorship of reading material, movies and music. They also want laws
to be passed that will prescribe who may have sex with whom under what
circumstances and even diown to the sex acts that they may engage in. All of
that self righteous interference in other people's business really rankles
me. Then there is prudery on a personal level. That can't really be fought
politically. But the prudes are really good at making jerks of themselves.
It is their self righteous judgementalism. They are in a perpetual state of
disapproval about things that are not their business. I have explained my
objections to bible thumpers before and these self righteous prudes tend to
be bible thumpers too. They are not always so though. I have actually met
people whoare in a constant state of disapproval of other people's attitudes
toward sex who do not push religion. They still manage to be obnoxious,
though, even if it is not obnoxious on a religious level. And I have noticed
characteristics that people like that do tend to have in common. Pleease
notice that I did use the word tend. Their constant state of disapproval
tends to extend to other things that are not related to sex, per se. They
will also express disapproval in other people's choices in movies, books,
music clothing styles and so forth. It is as if their main goal in life is
to make themselves as obnoxious as possible.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/8/2021 9:54 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
I suppose that's what it suggests. It wouldn't have occurred to me, but I
think you're right. And I am an old woman so even though I'm not a
grandmother because my daughters never had children, if you'd like to call
me a prude, you're certainly welcome to do so. As I said previously, I
don't have any quarrel with someone who wants to listen to that kind of
music, but I don't like it. To me, it's unpleasant, to say the least. If
that makes me a prude, so be it. You've chosen various other labels for me
before which, to your mind are negative. It's not a particularly positive
way to relate to fellow list members. It's one thing to give one's opinion
on a subject and to discuss the subject and trade opinions. It's a very
different thing to derogate the character of the list member who gives the
opinion.
On an entirely different subject, you mentioned in one of your messages that
you worked in a porn shop. In another message a while ago, you said that you
controlled the lights in a bar or nightclub or someplace where there were
floor shows. That caused me to wonder. Given the fact that you have a
college education and that you are extremely intelligent, why didn't you
work in the scientific field or in academia?
Miriam
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Okay, they are suggestive. In Whole Lot of Love I think they are suggestive
of anal sex. You still haven't said whether you agree. But so what? Other
songs are suggestive of other things. I don't see how it matters. I am
curious about whether I am correct about exactly what is being suggested,
but, like I said, I like Whole Lot of Love because of it overall sound and I
especially like the atonal part. Whatever it is being suggestive about does
not distract from that. A lot of explicit description of sex in a novel does
distract from that and makes it kind of boring, but in a song whatever is
being implied or not implied is irrelevant to the effect of the whole song.
Getting upset about sexual implications in a song strikes me as another kind
of gratuitousness, gratuitous prudery. It all reminds me of old grandmothers
with buttoned up collars up to their chins and high laced boots under their
ankle length dresses sitting around tut tutting about them young hussies who
have the brazen temerity to walk down the street showing their knees. It all
causes me to have the urge to roll my eyes.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 10:16 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Maybe you're correct in the literal sense. But the words, the moans and
other vocal sounds are so suggestive, that they might as well be explicit.
Miriam
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Actually, I don't see how you could say that the sex is explicit in Whole
Lot of Love. It seems to me to be only implied. But I am inclined to agree
with you about explicit descriptions of sex in books. Well, I don't agree in
the way you express it. I agree in that I can well do without it. That's
because it's boring. There are only so many body parts that can be rubbed
against so many body parts and there are only so many ways to describe it.
After you have read all of those ways to describe it so many times it just
doesn't engender much interest anymore. Furthermore, I get to thinking what
the book would be like without the explicit description of sex. If the
descriptions are only now and then it doesn't seem to have much effect and I
can read those descriptions without getting too bored even if I don't think
they are necessary. I will admit that sometimes, though, they are important
to the story, but it seems that for the most part they are gratuitous. If
they are a major part of the book then they are most likely to be majorly
gratuitous. In a case like that if the descriptions of sex are removed there
is not much substance left. That shows that the main purpose of the book in
question was to explicitly describe sex. But I am reminded of something else
from when I was in the seventh grade. Or it may have been the eighth grade.
It was some time in junior high school. I don't now remember how I came into
possession of these, but I did acquire some books that were explicitly
written as porn. Among the students in my school they were called fuck
books. The first one I read with extreme interest. I can even say that it
was titillating. The second one was too, but I started to get tired of it
before I finished. Then I started the third one. Okay, the setting had
changed and the names of the characters had changed, but it was the same old
stuff that the other two had in it and I found it really boring by that
time. I had some more and I may have flipped through them, but I didn't care
to read more. I just passed them all on to someone else who was excited
about reading the forbidden fruit. I never picked up another one until many
years later when I found myself with a job as a clerk in a porn shop. Most
of the porn was in the form of picture books that rested on racks that lined
the wall and that we called magazines even though they were not periodicals.
But in the middle of the floor there was a bin that contained a pile of
those so-called fuck books. I flipped through some of them and read a few
passages, but I quickly saw that it was the same old stuff and still just as
boring. But back to music. Again, I heard nothing in Whole Lot of Love that
I would call explicit description of sex and I don't think I have heard that
in any other song either. There are a lot of songs out there that imply sex
to one degree or another, but I really don't think I have ever heard one
that actually describes it except, perhaps, some drinking songs sung by
complete amateurs while more than a little drunk. I have never heard it in a
commercial recording though.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 9:36 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Well first, I think that when your textbook was referring to atonal music,
it was talking about classical music, not popular music. For people who
enjoy traditional classical music, that atonal classical music is very
jarring and it doesn't fulfill the needs that we are accustomed to music
fulfilling.
As for the lyrics, and the others which imply explicit sex, I find those
kinds of songs to be in bad taste. I don't like novels which describe sex in
explicit detail, that go on for paragraph after paragraph. To me,
they'repornographic and to me, so are songs like the ones whose lyrics
you've provided. I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys the books or the songs,
but to me, they're not enjoyable. To me, sex can be wonderful and enjoyable,
but it's private. One can allude to it in a book without going into detail,
just as one can listen to love songs without lyrics about the physical
dynamics of sexual intercourse.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song you might like.
I am learning that I really don't like lyrics very much that are out of the
context of the song they are from. It seems to change their meaning or robs
them of any meaning at all. I also think that a lot of the meaning in the
lyrics are contained in the way the singer sings them. In Whole Lot of Love
I think the moaning and gasping quality of Robert Plants voice contributes
to any meaning the song has. It really does imply some kind of sexual
ecstasy. Perhaps what divorcing the lyrics from the song is really doing is
just exposing the vacuousness of the songs that are vacuous in the first
place. But I went ahead and copied the lyrics for Whole lot of Love. First,
though, let me mention this. Back when I was about twelve years old and in
the seventh grade I had a music class. The textbook for the class was
explaining different kinds of music. It mentioned atonal music. It said that
some people claim to like atonal music, but that they were likely not
telling the truth. It said that they were most likely trying to set
themselves apart or just trying to be different. At that time I had never
heard atonal music as far as I knew, but I could not help thinking that the
author of that textbook was an arrogant jerk. That is, just because he
didn't like something he just declared that anyone who said that they did
like it had to be lying. I later found out that the places that I would most
likely hear atonal music was the background music for action and thriller
movies. Sometimes when there is intense action on the screen they use
orchestral atonal music as background to heighten the excitement. I still
had not heard atonal music in the context of a piece of music presented as
just a piece of music by itself. The first time I ever heard that was in
Led Zeppelin's Whole Lot of Love. If you listened to even the first part of
it you will know that it is not all atonal, but as the song progresses it
fades into atonality. That is the part where Robert Plant, the lead singer,
starts with the moans and groans. Again,, I think that is important to
determining what the song is really all about. But I found that I did like
the atonal part. Just like Dazed and Confused my liking of the song has
little to do with the lyrics. It has to do with the sound of the whole song.
But I can assure you that even though the atonal part is largely why I like
the song it has nothing to do with my trying to set myself apart or trying
to be different. I really do like it. Anyway, the point came that I started
suspecting that the song was about anal sex. Up to a certain point it didn't
have to be. All this stuff about every inch of my love and way deep down
inside and so forth could just as well be referring to vaginal sex, but the
wording just was not quite the way that vaginal sex would be expected to be
described. The clenches, though, was that part right toward the end where
the singer says, "I want to be your back door man." Back door is exactly the
phrase that commonly describes anal sex. Anyway, even though I think it
detracts from whatever meaning the song has here are the lyrics:
You need cooling
Baby I'm not fooling
I'm gonna send ya
Back to schooling
A-way down inside
A-honey you need it
I'm gonna give you my love
I'm gonna give you my love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
You've been learning
Um baby I been learning
All them good times baby, baby
I've been year-yearning
A-way, way down inside
A-honey you need-ah
I'm gonna give you my love, ah
I'm gonna give you my love, ah oh
Whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
You've been cooling
And baby I've been drooling
All the good times, baby
I've been misusing
A-way, way down inside
I'm gonna give ya my love
I'm gonna give ya every inch of my love
I'm gonna give ya my love
Hey!
Alright! Let's go!
Whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Want to whole lotta love
Way down inside
Woman, you need, yeah
Love
My, my, my, my
My, my, my, my
Lord
Shake for me girl
I wanna be your backdoor man
Hey, oh, hey, oh
Hey, oh, hey, oh
Ooh
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Cool, my, my baby
A-keep it cooling baby
A-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
Ah-keep it cooling baby
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 4:23 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Well, if you send the lyrics, I'll hazard an opinion. It's hard to hear them
and I really don't like listening to that kind of music. I started thinking
about the lyrics of the popular songs of the 30's and 40's that I like and
no one could ever be confused about their meaning. "All of Me", "I Walk
Alone" (during WW2), or folk music like, "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine".
Miriam
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Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Carl, a Led Zeppelin song you might
like.
It was just an acquaintance of mine who was giving me a ride. I happened to
mention that my two favorite Led Zeppelin songs were Dazed and Confused and
Whole Lot of Love and he told me that Dazed and Confused was misogynist. He
was male. I had said that I liked the song for years without ever having
paid attention to the lyrics and I think the same applied to him. He heard
that line about the soul of a woman being created below and jumped to the
conclusion that it was about all women. Then there we were having an
argument, a friendly argument in the car about the song without either of us
knowing very clearly what the lyrics actually were. But that inspired me to
look up the song on You Tube when I got home and I posted the link to it
here to get the opinions of people on this list. Now that I have read the
lyrics completely through I am even more convinced that I am right. By the
way, this didn't come up, but I also happen to think that other song, Whole
lot of Love is about anal sex. Here is the link to that one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 3:33 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Who told you that it's misogynist? It isn't about all women. It's a
specific situation. Was the person a woman?
Miriam
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Since Stairway to Heaven came across so entirely different to me when I
heard it without the music and without it being sung I decided to look up
the lyrics to Dazed and Confused too. I can report that even though it came
across entirely differently without the music and being sung too my
interpretation of it remains the same. It appears to be the point of view of
a man who is being emotionally abused by a woman and he is so addicted to
her that he keeps coming back for more abuse. And I still don't think it is
the least bit misogynist. But I am still not into poetry and I really prefer
both of these songs as songs rather than as poetry. Here are the lyrics to
Dazed and Confused:
Been dazed and confused
For so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Lotsa people talkin',
Few of them know
Soul of a woman was created below, yeah
You hurt and abuse,
Tellin' all of your lies
Run 'round, sweet baby, lord, how they hypnotize
Sweet little baby, I don't know where you been
Gonna love you, baby, here I come again
Every day I work so hard, bringin' home my hard-earned pay
Try to love you, baby, but you push me away
Don't know where you're goin',
Only know just where you've been
Sweet little baby, I want you again
Ah, ah, ah, ah
(Did you ever look up my woman)
Ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah-ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah, ah
Ahh, ah, ah, ah, ah
Ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahhh, ahh
Oh, yeah, alright, alright
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah-ah-ah, ah-ah-ah, ah
Ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah, ah-ah
Oh, I don't like when you're mystifyin' me
Oh, don't leave me so confused, now
Whoa, baby
Been dazed and confused for so long, it's not true
Wanted a woman, never bargained for you
Take it easy, baby,
Let them say what they will
Tongue wag so much when I send you the bill,
Oh, yeah, alright
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were so!
Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply a
child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had not
the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely, you must
realize that we created God, and that all of us together now have killed
him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/7/2021 1:02 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Roger,
I listened to the song twice, and I confirmed what I was afraid has
happened. While I still seem to hear normal conversation, my hearing
has changed to the point that the music garbles the lyrics. The only
clear words I got came at the very end, "And she's buying the stairway
to heaven".
I used to have above average hearing, but in some situations where
multiple sounds mix together, I'm having a difficult time following
one thread. I'll need to find a link that takes me to just the lyrics
before I can comment on them.
Along with living 86 years comes this darned thing called "The Aging
Process", a nice way of saying that our parts are wearing out. When
we first bought our get away cabin out here in the Wilds of the Great
Olympic Peninsula in 1987, I could stand on the deck and hear what
sounded like a sizzling. It was very faint, and in the city it was
not even noticeable. Today, some 34 years later, the sizzle has grown
to the point that it is always noticeable. Many little changes keep
showing up. While we felt that we were forcced to retire a year
earlier than we had planned, I can't imagine that I would be an
encouraging sight to an older, newly blind client watching me hobble
up to their door. Remember, most blind folks have varying degrees of
useful vision. As my dear old neighbor used to tell me when I asked
her how she was doing, "My get up and go has got up and went."
Carl Jarvis
On 6/7/21, Carl Jarvis <mailto:carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks for the comments and suggestions, Roger.
I do use You Tube for lots of off-beat music. Paul Robeson for
example. One of my personal human rights heroes, as well as the
greatest baritone ever.
I have a shelf above my computer that holds about 120 CD's. Most of
them have only been played once. Collecting them over several years
seemed like a good idea, but playing them while working became too
distracting. Pulling up You Tube is easier when I take a break and
relax.
I'll let you know any thoughts next time I listen to Led Zeppelin and
the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven.
Carl Jarvis
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Carl, you really ought to listen to the lyrics. It is disdainful of the
woman who thinks all that glitters is gold and her temerity at trying to
buy the stairway to heaven. All of that seems to mesh with the kind of
things you habitually say. As for buying it, frankly, I haven't been
willing to actually pay for music since I was a teenager. Anyway, even
if I did have any lingering lust for paying for music I don't need to.
Just like I was able to call up this one by typing in a very few search
terms I can call up pretty much any other piece of music I might want to
hear. You can too. Just go to You Tube and enter the name and band name
of your choice and in short order you will be hearing that big band
music you like. There are other choices too. Even though I knew about it
I had not really listened to much death metal music until I downloaded
the Tapin radio software for free. I did a search there and found
several death metal stations that play around the clock with no
commercials. I found out that I rather like death metal. Now I can find
the same stations on my Victor reader. And, oh, I think I can just about
guarantee that you wouldn't like any examples of death metal. Led
Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are really tame in comparison.
___
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept
On 6/6/2021 5:23 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
You're right, Roger. While I am not a fan of the lead singer, the
overall effect is soothing. And they don't become frantic at the end.
Some groups just can't help themselves. They create a soothing sound
that flows through my Soul...and suddenly they go bananas. I have to
admit, I listened to the total effect, not the lyrics. And the total
effect was fine. So I browsed a number of Led Zeppelin songs, and
found that I would never pay for any Led Zeppelin albums.
The problem is within me. I grew up with the Big Band sound, and went
along with the goosey loosey music of the fifties. I was moved by
much of the creativeness of the sixties and seventies, but struggled
with Hip Hop and Grunge. And as far as Rap goes...it can go. Write
me a short poem telling me your troubles, but please don't put it to
music and snarl out the lyrics over and over and over...
Actually there is not much music that I don't care for. I enjoy
Country, especially the older forties and fifties, and I love
Classical...excluding Chamber Music, and most Jazz except the stuff
that goes piddling around and wanders off in four directions at once.
Did I forget Blue Grass? There's just not much I don't like. But if
it jars my nerves...well that's not music to me.
But thanks for showing me that even a group that I have avoided, even
they have some redeeming grace.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/5/21, Roger Loran Bailey <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, okay, you didn't like Dazed and Confused. I am pretty sure you
probably would not like much else that Led Zeppelin ever did either.
However, there is one Led Zeppelin song that I think you just might
like. I said that I had never paid attention to the words in Dazed and
Confused before, but in this one the words are so clear and so out
front
that it would be difficult to listen to it without paying attention to
it. Furthermore I think you just might be in agreement with the
sentiments expressed in this one. It is certainly disdainful of greed
and privilege. It is Stairway to Heaven. Let me know if you do like
this
one from Led Zeppelin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkF3oxziUI4
--
Irvin D. Yalom “Truth," Nietzsche continued, "is arrived at through
disbelief and skepticism, not through a childlike wishing something
were
so! Your patient's wish to be in God's hands is not truth. It is simply
a child's wish—and nothing more! It is a wish not to die, a wish for
the
eveastingly bloated nipple we have labeled 'God'! Evolutionary theory
scientifically demonstrates God's redundancy—though Darwin himself had
not the courage to follow his evidence to its true conclusion. Surely,
you must realize that we created God, and that all of us together now
have killed him.” ― Irvin D. Yalom, When Nietzsche Wept