[gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
- From: Luke French <nhbostonfan@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:09:41 -0400
Are you Seeing Eye GPS in Waltham Massachusetts and it is very good and funny
locations however it does not say which side of the street something is located
on but rather give you directions in an old Clock fashion to
Luke
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello George and All,
>
> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a POI is
> located? I don’t navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to have cross
> street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
>
> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my iPhone, it
> always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
>
> Perhaps I’m missing something here.
>
> Mark
>
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the street so
> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus you need
> to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then you will know
> what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now folks how would you
> figer it out if you would were using a stick and or guide dog
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes, Nicole
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Hi Sofia and all,
> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the route
> details.
> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following the one
> your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not to cross at
> the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks you to turn left
> onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto "y" street is left or
> right. If it is a left turn then you do not need to cross, but if it is right
> then you need to consider crossing. Obviously you would then use your O and M
> skills to determine the most appropriate place to cross the street.
>
> Regards,
> Nicole
>
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> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't bother
> me.
>
> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after crossing a
> street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street" in nyc, you
> couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross thann turn
> right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street mame is the same.
>
> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when making an
> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old combined
>> when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but whenever I travel I
>> would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the GPS if I feel I am
>> lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael May
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each street is
>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial, highway
>> and so forth. The route calculation then uses those classifications to
>> figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I have found situations where
>> a route wasn't used as pedestrian because the road was considered a highway,
>> like highway 99, which would be a highway outside of town but it is Main
>> street in town and quite crossable. Other times, the reverse is true.
>>
>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to trust the
>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>
>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river because the
>> GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more skeptical than that
>> and use the technology with common sense.
>>
>> Mike
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> I’m glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly follows
>> a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye GPS app suggests
>> pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would never take. It
>> seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route possible. This often
>> results in routes that take many turns or ones that require the blind
>> traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled intersections. For
>> example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown Line L station in Chicago at
>> 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square location of the Crossfit Defined gym
>> at 2750 W.
>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west to
>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at Talman.
>> Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and cross at the
>> traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire trip is only three
>> tenths of a mile.
>>
>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from my
>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious shared
>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go one
>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street. Then,
>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a left
>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only after
>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my address.
>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or Clark to
>> Ohio and then west to the address.
>>
>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to me why a
>> travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian routes going
>> short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all the way up
>> Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of traffic lights
>> does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user is often given three
>> choices of routes to take, each with a different set of priorities. One
>> route may favor major streets.
>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may offer the
>> fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no choice.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while in a
>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a discussion
>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>>
>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>>
>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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