[gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:13:00 -0700
why don't you give it a try and let us know...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:10
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>
> So if Google Maps knows what side of the street a POI is in and now we
> have the option of using Google Maps, do you think this new option
> will help in this regard?
>
> On 7/10/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a
> lot
> > which is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the
> street
> > a place is so I just asked how this works with the app.
> >
> >
> > Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of
> our
> > surroundings.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello George and All,
> >>
> >> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a
> POI is
> >> located? I don't navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to
> have
> >> cross street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
> >>
> >> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my
> iPhone,
> >> it always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
> >>
> >> Perhaps I'm missing something here.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >>
> >> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the
> street so
> >> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus
> you
> >> need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then
> you
> >> will know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now
> folks
> >> how would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or
> guide
> >> dog
> >>
> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes,
> Nicole
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >>
> >> Hi Sofia and all,
> >> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the
> route
> >> details.
> >> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following
> the
> >> one your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not
> to
> >> cross at the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks
> you to
> >> turn left onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto
> "y"
> >> street is left or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need
> to
> >> cross, but if it is right then you need to consider crossing.
> Obviously
> >> you would then use your O and M skills to determine the most
> appropriate
> >> place to cross the street.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> >> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >>
> >> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't
> >> bother me.
> >>
> >> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after
> crossing
> >> a street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street"
> in nyc,
> >> you couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross
> thann
> >> turn right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street
> mame is
> >> the same.
> >>
> >> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
> >>
> >> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when
> making an
> >> educated guess may be the only optiom).
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
> >>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
> >>> combined when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but
> whenever
> >>> I travel I would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the
> GPS
> >>> if I feel I am lost, just for orientation purposes only.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
> May
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >>>
> >>> Kelly,
> >>>
> >>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each
> street is
> >>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial,
> >>> highway and so forth. The route calculation then uses those
> >>> classifications to figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I
> have
> >>> found situations where a route wasn't used as pedestrian because
> the road
> >>> was considered a highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway
> >>> outside of town but it is Main street in town and quite crossable.
> Other
> >>> times, the reverse is true.
> >>>
> >>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
> >>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
> >>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to
> trust the
> >>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
> >>>
> >>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river
> because
> >>> the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more
> skeptical than
> >>> that and use the technology with common sense.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly
> Pierce
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
> >>>
> >>> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
> >>> follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye
> GPS app
> >>> suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would
> never
> >>> take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route
> possible.
> >>> This often results in routes that take many turns or ones that
> require
> >>> the blind traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled
> >>> intersections. For example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown
> Line L
> >>> station in Chicago at 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square
> location of
> >>> the Crossfit Defined gym at 2750 W.
> >>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west
> to
> >>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at
> >>> Talman. Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and
> cross
> >>> at the traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire
> trip is
> >>> only three tenths of a mile.
> >>>
> >>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from
> my
> >>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious
> shared
> >>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
> >>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go
> one
> >>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
> >>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street.
> Then,
> >>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a
> left
> >>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
> >>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only
> after
> >>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my
> address.
> >>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or
> Clark
> >>> to Ohio and then west to the address.
> >>>
> >>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to
> me why
> >>> a travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian
> routes
> >>> going short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all
> the
> >>> way up Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of
> >>> traffic lights does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user
> is
> >>> often given three choices of routes to take, each with a different
> set of
> >>> priorities. One route may favor major streets.
> >>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may
> offer
> >>> the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no
> choice.
> >>>
> >>> Kelly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while
> in a
> >>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a
> discussion
> >>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
> >>>>
> >>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
> >>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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