On Jul 12, 2014, at 3:57 PM, "Dennis Schwendtner" <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Odd numbers are usually always on the left if you are going up in numbers, and
even numbers are on the right. So remember going up in numbers,,, even on the
right and odd is on the left.
BTW since I have change to the google maps, Seeing eye is now correct. Before
with TomTom maps all addresses were on the left, no matter wich way I entered
the street.
Take care all!
Dennis
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
Hi
Could you elaborate a bit? What if one does not know the destination area
street numbering?
I made sometimes a address map by transferring the calculated address point
three meters off the centerline and suffixing the number with letter to
determine if the address is north, south, east or west side of the road. map
source and gps were both so accurate that one can really disdinguish if the
address was on current side of the road or at another side.
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Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:30:37 -0700
From: Dennis Schwendtner <dennis@xxxxxxxx>
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
If you know the address, you should already know wich side of the street the
poi is on.
Dennis
----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:13 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
why don't you give it a try and let us know...
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From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:10
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
So if Google Maps knows what side of the street a POI is in and now we
have the option of using Google Maps, do you think this new option
will help in this regard?
On 7/10/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a
lot
which is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the
street
a place is so I just asked how this works with the app.
Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of
our
surroundings.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello George and All,
Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a
POI is
located? I don't navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to
have
cross street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my
iPhone,
it always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
Perhaps I'm missing something here.
Mark
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the
street so
seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus
you
need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then
you
will know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now
folks
how would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or
guide
dog
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Nicole
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
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Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
Hi Sofia and all,
It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the
route
details.
That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following
the
one your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not
to
cross at the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks
you to
turn left onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto
"y"
street is left or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need
to
cross, but if it is right then you need to consider crossing.
Obviously
you would then use your O and M skills to determine the most
appropriate
place to cross the street.
Regards,
Nicole
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't
bother me.
I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after
crossing
a street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street"
in nyc,
you couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross
thann
turn right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street
mame is
the same.
Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
(i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when
making an
educated guess may be the only optiom).
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
<armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
combined when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but
whenever
I travel I would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the
GPS
if I feel I am lost, just for orientation purposes only.
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
May
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
Kelly,
Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each
street is
classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial,
highway and so forth. The route calculation then uses those
classifications to figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I
have
found situations where a route wasn't used as pedestrian because
the road
was considered a highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway
outside of town but it is Main street in town and quite crossable.
Other
times, the reverse is true.
If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to
trust the
data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river
because
the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more
skeptical than
that and use the technology with common sense.
Mike
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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly
Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye
GPS app
suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would
never
take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route
possible.
This often results in routes that take many turns or ones that
require
the blind traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled
intersections. For example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown
Line L
station in Chicago at 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square
location of
the Crossfit Defined gym at 2750 W.
Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west
to
Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at
Talman. Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and
cross
at the traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire
trip is
only three tenths of a mile.
A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from
my
office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious
shared
work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go
one
block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street.
Then,
the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a
left
turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only
after
290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my
address.
An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or
Clark
to Ohio and then west to the address.
These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to
me why
a travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian
routes
going short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all
the
way up Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of
traffic lights does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user
is
often given three choices of routes to take, each with a different
set of
priorities. One route may favor major streets.
Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may
offer
the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no
choice.
Kelly
On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while
in a
car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a
discussion
for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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