[gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
- From: Luke French <nhbostonfan@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:12:46 -0400
Agreed you can use commonsense to figure out which side of the street you're on
unless there is a city that did not organize themselves this way. Many oral
towns do not even have numbers that going order you will see 190 then 75 to 33
with no chronological order. The world is not as homogenous as we would like.
Love the Seeing Eye App keep up the good work
Luke
> On Jul 12, 2014, at 3:57 PM, "Dennis Schwendtner" <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Odd numbers are usually always on the left if you are going up in numbers,
> and even numbers are on the right. So remember going up in numbers,,, even
> on the right and odd is on the left.
>
> BTW since I have change to the google maps, Seeing eye is now correct.
> Before with TomTom maps all addresses were on the left, no matter wich way I
> entered the street.
>
> Take care all!
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Moisio" <arimo@xxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:28 AM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Could you elaborate a bit? What if one does not know the destination area
>> street numbering?
>>
>> I made sometimes a address map by transferring the calculated address point
>> three meters off the centerline and suffixing the number with letter to
>> determine if the address is north, south, east or west side of the road.
>> map source and gps were both so accurate that one can really disdinguish if
>> the address was on current side of the road or at another side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Dennis Schwendtner kirjoitti
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:30:37 -0700
>>> From: Dennis Schwendtner <dennis@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> If you know the address, you should already know wich side of the street
>>> the poi is on.
>>>
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:13 AM
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>>
>>>
>>>> why don't you give it a try and let us know...
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:10
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>>>>
>>>>> So if Google Maps knows what side of the street a POI is in and now we
>>>>> have the option of using Google Maps, do you think this new option
>>>>> will help in this regard?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/10/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> > I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> > which is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the
>>>>> street
>>>>> > a place is so I just asked how this works with the app.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of
>>>>> our
>>>>> > surroundings.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hello George and All,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a
>>>>> POI is
>>>>> >> located? I don't navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> cross street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my
>>>>> iPhone,
>>>>> >> it always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mark
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the
>>>>> street so
>>>>> >> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus
>>>>> you
>>>>> >> need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then
>>>>> you
>>>>> >> will know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now
>>>>> folks
>>>>> >> how would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or
>>>>> guide
>>>>> >> dog
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes,
>>>>> Nicole
>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
>>>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Sofia and all,
>>>>> >> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the
>>>>> route
>>>>> >> details.
>>>>> >> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> one your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> cross at the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks
>>>>> you to
>>>>> >> turn left onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto
>>>>> "y"
>>>>> >> street is left or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> cross, but if it is right then you need to consider crossing.
>>>>> Obviously
>>>>> >> you would then use your O and M skills to determine the most
>>>>> appropriate
>>>>> >> place to cross the street.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>> >> Nicole
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>>>> >> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
>>>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't
>>>>> >> bother me.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after
>>>>> crossing
>>>>> >> a street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street"
>>>>> in nyc,
>>>>> >> you couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross
>>>>> thann
>>>>> >> turn right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street
>>>>> mame is
>>>>> >> the same.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when
>>>>> making an
>>>>> >> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
>>>>> >>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
>>>>> >>> combined when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but
>>>>> whenever
>>>>> >>> I travel I would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the
>>>>> GPS
>>>>> >>> if I feel I am lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>>> May
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>>>>> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Kelly,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each
>>>>> street is
>>>>> >>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial,
>>>>> >>> highway and so forth. The route calculation then uses those
>>>>> >>> classifications to figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>> found situations where a route wasn't used as pedestrian because
>>>>> the road
>>>>> >>> was considered a highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway
>>>>> >>> outside of town but it is Main street in town and quite crossable.
>>>>> Other
>>>>> >>> times, the reverse is true.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
>>>>> >>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
>>>>> >>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to
>>>>> trust the
>>>>> >>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river
>>>>> because
>>>>> >>> the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more
>>>>> skeptical than
>>>>> >>> that and use the technology with common sense.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Mike
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly
>>>>> Pierce
>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
>>>>> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
>>>>> >>> follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye
>>>>> GPS app
>>>>> >>> suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would
>>>>> never
>>>>> >>> take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> >>> This often results in routes that take many turns or ones that
>>>>> require
>>>>> >>> the blind traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled
>>>>> >>> intersections. For example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown
>>>>> Line L
>>>>> >>> station in Chicago at 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square
>>>>> location of
>>>>> >>> the Crossfit Defined gym at 2750 W.
>>>>> >>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at
>>>>> >>> Talman. Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and
>>>>> cross
>>>>> >>> at the traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire
>>>>> trip is
>>>>> >>> only three tenths of a mile.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from
>>>>> my
>>>>> >>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious
>>>>> shared
>>>>> >>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>>>>> >>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go
>>>>> one
>>>>> >>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>>>>> >>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street.
>>>>> Then,
>>>>> >>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a
>>>>> left
>>>>> >>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>>>>> >>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only
>>>>> after
>>>>> >>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my
>>>>> address.
>>>>> >>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or
>>>>> Clark
>>>>> >>> to Ohio and then west to the address.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to
>>>>> me why
>>>>> >>> a travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian
>>>>> routes
>>>>> >>> going short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>> way up Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of
>>>>> >>> traffic lights does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user
>>>>> is
>>>>> >>> often given three choices of routes to take, each with a different
>>>>> set of
>>>>> >>> priorities. One route may favor major streets.
>>>>> >>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may
>>>>> offer
>>>>> >>> the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no
>>>>> choice.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Kelly
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while
>>>>> in a
>>>>> >>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a
>>>>> discussion
>>>>> >>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>>>> >>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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