[gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
- From: Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 23:17:06 -0400
I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a lot which
is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the street a place
is so I just asked how this works with the app.
Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of our
surroundings.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hello George and All,
>
> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a POI is
> located? I don’t navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to have cross
> street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
>
> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my iPhone, it
> always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
>
> Perhaps I’m missing something here.
>
> Mark
>
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the street so
> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus you need
> to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then you will know
> what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now folks how would you
> figer it out if you would were using a stick and or guide dog
>
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes, Nicole
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> Hi Sofia and all,
> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the route
> details.
> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following the one
> your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not to cross at
> the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks you to turn left
> onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto "y" street is left or
> right. If it is a left turn then you do not need to cross, but if it is right
> then you need to consider crossing. Obviously you would then use your O and M
> skills to determine the most appropriate place to cross the street.
>
> Regards,
> Nicole
>
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> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>
> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't bother
> me.
>
> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after crossing a
> street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street" in nyc, you
> couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross thann turn
> right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street mame is the same.
>
> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when making an
> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old combined
>> when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but whenever I travel I
>> would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the GPS if I feel I am
>> lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael May
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each street is
>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial, highway
>> and so forth. The route calculation then uses those classifications to
>> figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I have found situations where
>> a route wasn't used as pedestrian because the road was considered a highway,
>> like highway 99, which would be a highway outside of town but it is Main
>> street in town and quite crossable. Other times, the reverse is true.
>>
>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to trust the
>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>
>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river because the
>> GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more skeptical than that
>> and use the technology with common sense.
>>
>> Mike
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>
>> I’m glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly follows
>> a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye GPS app suggests
>> pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would never take. It
>> seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route possible. This often
>> results in routes that take many turns or ones that require the blind
>> traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled intersections. For
>> example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown Line L station in Chicago at
>> 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square location of the Crossfit Defined gym
>> at 2750 W.
>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west to
>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at Talman.
>> Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and cross at the
>> traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire trip is only three
>> tenths of a mile.
>>
>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from my
>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious shared
>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go one
>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street. Then,
>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a left
>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only after
>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my address.
>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or Clark to
>> Ohio and then west to the address.
>>
>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to me why a
>> travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian routes going
>> short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all the way up
>> Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of traffic lights
>> does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user is often given three
>> choices of routes to take, each with a different set of priorities. One
>> route may favor major streets.
>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may offer the
>> fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no choice.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while in a
>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a discussion
>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>>
>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>>
>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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