[gps-talkusers] fps-talk users route options in future update
- From: brandon armstrong <baarmstrong37@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:42:23 -0500
hi all, I was wondering sense we now have google maps in seeing eye,
could we have the google POI”s as a search option in the seeing eye app, as
well as an option to turn off getting warmer mode when in a route?
On Jul 12, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Dennis Schwendtner <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> If you know the address, you should already know wich side of the street the
> poi is on.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:13 AM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>
>
>> why don't you give it a try and let us know...
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:10
>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>>
>>> So if Google Maps knows what side of the street a POI is in and now we
>>> have the option of using Google Maps, do you think this new option
>>> will help in this regard?
>>>
>>> On 7/10/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a
>>> lot
>>> > which is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the
>>> street
>>> > a place is so I just asked how this works with the app.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of
>>> our
>>> > surroundings.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello George and All,
>>> >>
>>> >> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a
>>> POI is
>>> >> located? I don't navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to
>>> have
>>> >> cross street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
>>> >>
>>> >> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my
>>> iPhone,
>>> >> it always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>>> >>
>>> >> Mark
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>> >>
>>> >> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the
>>> street so
>>> >> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus
>>> you
>>> >> need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then
>>> you
>>> >> will know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now
>>> folks
>>> >> how would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or
>>> guide
>>> >> dog
>>> >>
>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes,
>>> Nicole
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Sofia and all,
>>> >> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the
>>> route
>>> >> details.
>>> >> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following
>>> the
>>> >> one your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not
>>> to
>>> >> cross at the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks
>>> you to
>>> >> turn left onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto
>>> "y"
>>> >> street is left or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need
>>> to
>>> >> cross, but if it is right then you need to consider crossing.
>>> Obviously
>>> >> you would then use your O and M skills to determine the most
>>> appropriate
>>> >> place to cross the street.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Nicole
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>> >> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
>>> >> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>> >>
>>> >> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't
>>> >> bother me.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after
>>> crossing
>>> >> a street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street"
>>> in nyc,
>>> >> you couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross
>>> thann
>>> >> turn right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street
>>> mame is
>>> >> the same.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>>> >>
>>> >> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when
>>> making an
>>> >> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
>>> >>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
>>> >>> combined when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but
>>> whenever
>>> >>> I travel I would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the
>>> GPS
>>> >>> if I feel I am lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
>>> May
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>>> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kelly,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each
>>> street is
>>> >>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial,
>>> >>> highway and so forth. The route calculation then uses those
>>> >>> classifications to figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I
>>> have
>>> >>> found situations where a route wasn't used as pedestrian because
>>> the road
>>> >>> was considered a highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway
>>> >>> outside of town but it is Main street in town and quite crossable.
>>> Other
>>> >>> times, the reverse is true.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
>>> >>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
>>> >>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to
>>> trust the
>>> >>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river
>>> because
>>> >>> the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more
>>> skeptical than
>>> >>> that and use the technology with common sense.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly
>>> Pierce
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
>>> >>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
>>> >>> follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye
>>> GPS app
>>> >>> suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would
>>> never
>>> >>> take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route
>>> possible.
>>> >>> This often results in routes that take many turns or ones that
>>> require
>>> >>> the blind traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled
>>> >>> intersections. For example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown
>>> Line L
>>> >>> station in Chicago at 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square
>>> location of
>>> >>> the Crossfit Defined gym at 2750 W.
>>> >>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west
>>> to
>>> >>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at
>>> >>> Talman. Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and
>>> cross
>>> >>> at the traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire
>>> trip is
>>> >>> only three tenths of a mile.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from
>>> my
>>> >>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious
>>> shared
>>> >>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>>> >>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go
>>> one
>>> >>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>>> >>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street.
>>> Then,
>>> >>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a
>>> left
>>> >>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>>> >>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only
>>> after
>>> >>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my
>>> address.
>>> >>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or
>>> Clark
>>> >>> to Ohio and then west to the address.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to
>>> me why
>>> >>> a travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian
>>> routes
>>> >>> going short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all
>>> the
>>> >>> way up Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of
>>> >>> traffic lights does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user
>>> is
>>> >>> often given three choices of routes to take, each with a different
>>> set of
>>> >>> priorities. One route may favor major streets.
>>> >>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may
>>> offer
>>> >>> the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no
>>> choice.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kelly
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while
>>> in a
>>> >>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a
>>> discussion
>>> >>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>> >>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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