[gps-talkusers] Re: fps-talk users route options in future update
- From: Luke French <nhbostonfan@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:49:53 -0400
I would also like the auction not to have getting warmer mode turn on. Thank you
Luke
> On Jul 12, 2014, at 1:42 PM, brandon armstrong <baarmstrong37@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> hi all, I was wondering sense we now have google maps in seeing eye, could
> we have the google POI”s as a search option in the seeing eye app, as well as
> an option to turn off getting warmer mode when in a route?
>> On Jul 12, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Dennis Schwendtner <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> If you know the address, you should already know wich side of the street the
>> poi is on.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:13 AM
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>
>>
>>> why don't you give it a try and let us know...
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 10:10
>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: What Side of the Street is a POI
>>>>
>>>> So if Google Maps knows what side of the street a POI is in and now we
>>>> have the option of using Google Maps, do you think this new option
>>>> will help in this regard?
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/10/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> I know the pattern in my city but I have to go to different places a
>>>> lot
>>>>> which is why I asked. As Taylor said, some apps know what side of the
>>>> street
>>>>> a place is so I just asked how this works with the app.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the app doesn't replace o and m skills or being aware of
>>>> our
>>>>> surroundings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 11:03 PM, "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello George and All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it true that Seeing Eye does not know what side of the street a
>>>> POI is
>>>>>> located? I don't navigate to POIs very often choosing instead to
>>>> have
>>>>>> cross street names spoken as my primary navigational tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, when I use A T & T Navigator or the Google Maps app on my
>>>> iPhone,
>>>>>> it always tells me what side of the street the POI is located.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I'm missing something here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George B
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 7:37 PM
>>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, all the address and pois come off the center line of the
>>>> street so
>>>>>> seeing eye does not get what side of the street the poi is on. Thus
>>>> you
>>>>>> need to understand the odd and even numbers of an address and then
>>>> you
>>>>>> will know what side of the street you need to be on. Come on now
>>>> folks
>>>>>> how would you figer it out if you would were using a stick and or
>>>> guide
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Holmes,
>>>> Nicole
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 19:30
>>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sofia and all,
>>>>>> It is important to be one step ahead of your GPS and to check the
>>>> route
>>>>>> details.
>>>>>> That is, you should be aware of the turn you need to make following
>>>> the
>>>>>> one your GPS has told you about in order to determine whether or not
>>>> to
>>>>>> cross at the upcoming intersection. For instance, if the GPS asks
>>>> you to
>>>>>> turn left onto "x" street, you should check whether the turn onto
>>>> "y"
>>>>>> street is left or right. If it is a left turn then you do not need
>>>> to
>>>>>> cross, but if it is right then you need to consider crossing.
>>>> Obviously
>>>>>> you would then use your O and M skills to determine the most
>>>> appropriate
>>>>>> place to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Nicole
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, 11 July 2014 12:12 PM
>>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did notice some of the routes had a lot of turns, but that doesn't
>>>>>> bother me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had trouble figuring out if I should turn before or after
>>>> crossing
>>>>>> a street. For example, if the GPS says 'turn right on 74th street"
>>>> in nyc,
>>>>>> you couldd turn on that street and then cross or you could cross
>>>> thann
>>>>>> turn right. These are different sides of a block, vut the street
>>>> mame is
>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any tips on how to deal with this? Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (i know GPS isn't perfect so this may be one of those times when
>>>> making an
>>>>>> educated guess may be the only optiom).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, "Armando Maldonado"
>>>>>>> <armando.maldonado0767@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well said Mike, it's always good to have both the new and the old
>>>>>>> combined when it comes to travel. I try not to rely on such but
>>>> whenever
>>>>>>> I travel I would do the Virtual explore route and maybe turn on the
>>>> GPS
>>>>>>> if I feel I am lost, just for orientation purposes only.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> May
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kelly,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is how it works. The map data is structured such that each
>>>> street is
>>>>>>> classified by the map data provider such as residential, arterial,
>>>>>>> highway and so forth. The route calculation then uses those
>>>>>>> classifications to figure out pedestrian verses a vehicle route. I
>>>> have
>>>>>>> found situations where a route wasn't used as pedestrian because
>>>> the road
>>>>>>> was considered a highway, like highway 99, which would be a highway
>>>>>>> outside of town but it is Main street in town and quite crossable.
>>>> Other
>>>>>>> times, the reverse is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any of the other Sendero products, you can see the
>>>>>>> classification of every street. Sendero has no control over these
>>>>>>> classifications. Hence all the disclaimers that tell you not to
>>>> trust the
>>>>>>> data or the GPS signals. Proceed with caution!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are stories about how someone drove their car into a river
>>>> because
>>>>>>> the GPS directed them that way. I hope most users are more
>>>> skeptical than
>>>>>>> that and use the technology with common sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kelly
>>>> Pierce
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 5:42 PM
>>>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Using Seeing Eye GPS as a Pedestrian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad this topic was raised. Living in a big city that strictly
>>>>>>> follows a grid street design, I have noticed that the Seeing Eye
>>>> GPS app
>>>>>>> suggests pedestrian routes that an independent blind traveler would
>>>> never
>>>>>>> take. It seems the Seeing Eye app offers the shortest route
>>>> possible.
>>>>>>> This often results in routes that take many turns or ones that
>>>> require
>>>>>>> the blind traveler crossing streets without traffic controlled
>>>>>>> intersections. For example, I was walking from the Rockwell brown
>>>> Line L
>>>>>>> station in Chicago at 4648 N. Rockwell to the Lincoln Square
>>>> location of
>>>>>>> the Crossfit Defined gym at 2750 W.
>>>>>>> Lawrence. The Seeing Eye app wanted me to go north to Leland, west
>>>> to
>>>>>>> Talman and then cross busy Lawrence. There is no traffic light at
>>>>>>> Talman. Instead, I chose to go on Rockwell north to Lawrence and
>>>> cross
>>>>>>> at the traffic light and then go west to my address. The entire
>>>> trip is
>>>>>>> only three tenths of a mile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A similar situation happened this week when I wanted to travel from
>>>> my
>>>>>>> office at Washington and Dearborn in Chicago to the Industrious
>>>> shared
>>>>>>> work space at 320 W. Ohio. This is a distance of one mile. The
>>>>>>> seeing Eye app told me to go north on Dearborn to Wacker Drive, go
>>>> one
>>>>>>> block west to Clark street then go north to Hubbard Street. On
>>>>>>> Hubbard, I would walk just a few hundred feet to Wells Street.
>>>> Then,
>>>>>>> the app wanted me to go north on Wells Street and then to take a
>>>> left
>>>>>>> turn on Grand Avenue. I then needed to take a right turn when I
>>>>>>> reached Franklin Street so I was going north again. Then only
>>>> after
>>>>>>> 290 feet, I finally turn left going west on Ohio street to my
>>>> address.
>>>>>>> An independent blind traveler would simply go north on Dearborn or
>>>> Clark
>>>>>>> to Ohio and then west to the address.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These routes were created using Tom tom maps. It is perplexing to
>>>> me why
>>>>>>> a travel aid for the blind would create such complex pedestrian
>>>> routes
>>>>>>> going short distances. There are full sidewalks on Rockwell and all
>>>> the
>>>>>>> way up Dearborn and Clark streets. The many turns and avoidance of
>>>>>>> traffic lights does not make sense. With Apple maps, the end user
>>>> is
>>>>>>> often given three choices of routes to take, each with a different
>>>> set of
>>>>>>> priorities. One route may favor major streets.
>>>>>>> Another may have the shortest distance or travel time. Another may
>>>> offer
>>>>>>> the fewest turns. With the Seeing Eye, GPS the end user has no
>>>> choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/8/14, Sofia Gallo <sofiagallo13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> So I've noticed that most of the threads discuss using GPS while
>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> car or paratransit service, so I figured I would start a
>>>> discussion
>>>>>>>> for those who use the app mostly for walking routes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any experiences, tips or suggestions to share?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recently started using the app in NYC, and it is extremely
>>>>>>>> accurate, even with the tall buildings.
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