[jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:07:14 -0600
hi,
anybody find a work around for the invisible check boxes when selecting
songs in the tunes program, not on the web?
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:02 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> Jeff, I used Itunes 8 and found the combo box to be very massive at times
> and too much to work with when in the store. As it works now after
> searching
> the store, I can just press f6 for the HTML, and if I want to buy or
> preview, I can press the letter B for the buy, and preview buttons. The f6
> to jump through the box of search result when looking on the machine at
> local results still works as it did.
> So, rather than it being a lack of access, we may prefer different
> approaches to using iTunes.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
> Hi matt.
>
> man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two
> questions for you:
> and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very
> helpful
> one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very
> useful.
>
> two questions for you however:
>
> 1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9?
>
> or did you jump straight from 7 to 9?
>
> 2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the ITunes
> edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with various
> things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a list
> box
> will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring
> keyboard
> focus,
> and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc.
> when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150 entries,
> versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each one.
> pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently selected
> song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick buy
> thing, if that's what your prefernece was.
> Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using ITunes
> 9
> and jaws 11?
> and that you can do all that right now on your machine?
>
> Thanks.
> Geoff c.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
>
>> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9 but in
>> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine and
> the
>> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice.
>>
>> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register via the
>> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's
>> established.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>>
>> hi there.
>>
>> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony or
>> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!>
>>
>> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy ones,
> and
>> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer, and
>> fervently wish for!
>>
>> first of all, I regret to have to tell you,
>> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest
> version
>> of ITunes 9,
>> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the
> funkiest
>> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not would
> of
>> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can tell
> you
>> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register
>> your
>> account with ITunes with version 9 independently,
>> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly,
>> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling
> around,
>> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and
> simplest
>> way in my view at this point,
>> so far as my testings here are concerned,
>> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken,
>> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and
>> purchasing, of
>> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x, that
> I've
>> been able to determine!
>> I don't know if that includes apps or not though.
>>
>> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard accessible
>> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6 key
> to
>> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view
> pane,
>> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc, and
> the
>> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the
>> option,
>> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item,"
>> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc.
>>
>> this version can be found here:
>>
>> or at least it could:
>>
>> > >http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f
>>
>> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems
>> however,
>> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even
>> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on
>> the
>> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to
> them
>> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem
>> possible
>> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the
>> ITunes
>> store itself, with the jawsCursor.
>> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor
>> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around and
>> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with
> ITunes
>> version 9 any more.
>>
>> it's not a happy story!
>>
>> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the above:
>>
>> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this.
>> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers?
>> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is
> like,
>> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level
>> with stumbling around on computers?
>> <grin.>
>> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily?
>>
>> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have, of
>> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11.
>> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think I've
>> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy,
>> is, ... ok, deep breath here.
>> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11
>> behaves
>> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms
> mode,
>> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc.
>>
>> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual
>> cursor
>> and realWorld cursor
>> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and
> what
>> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus.
>> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other.
>> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane, and
>> you arrow
>> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the
>> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type your
>> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord, make
> up
>> a question to help them with IDentity,
>> type your answer to that question,
>> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list
> Boxes,
>> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email,
>> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox,
>> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox,
>> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom,
>>
>> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your virtual
>> cursor arrows,
>> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the first
>> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address,
>> and
>> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you
> discovered,
>> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't immediately
>> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application
>> interaction,
>> as you'd expect it to.
>> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box.
>> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things rather
>> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land.
>>
>> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit
>> box,
>> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because
> iTunes
>> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes, without
>> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first.
>> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve
>> text,
>> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than
>> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land.
>>
>> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms mode,
> back
>> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as you
>> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in
> between
>> each form field.
>> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms
>> mode.
>> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to arrow
>> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced kind
>> of
>> forms mode, or
>> direct interactivity with the application mode,
>> etc.
>>
>> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got the
> half
>> of it yet!
>>
>> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the
> prompts
>> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e.
>> 1. email address as apple ID,
>> 2. passWord,
>> 3. Verify password,
>> etc.
>> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a
> whole
>> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the
> account
>> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with that,
> to
>> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck.
>> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means
>> your
>> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc
>> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page if
>> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to read
>> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above. don't
>> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each one,
> and
>> hit readCurrent line to checkem.
>> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the point
>> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically read
> some
>> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws Config
> for
>> ITunes eh.
>>
>> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help them
>> identify you. jaws should say Question edit.
>> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should
> identify
>> as, "answer edit," and type the answer.
>>
>> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit.
>> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current
>> line,
>> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list box,
> to
>> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow keys,
>> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed.
>> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for you,
> to
>> enable list box arrow navigation.
>> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now,
>> this,
>> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of course
>> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit
>> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to confirm
>> what your entering is correct.
>> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox.
>>
>> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily identified
>> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected.
> same
>> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify.
>>
>> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which spaceBar
>> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via email.
>> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons.
>>
>> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore the
>> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things, but
> you
>> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like your
>> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just
>> start
>> typing them. ituens should except them.
>> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as the
>> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with
>> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows.
>> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes. you
>> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code," or
>> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those edit
>> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab
>> through
>> this.
>>
>> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has
> timed
>> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no doubt
>> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not!
>>
>>
>> All the best with that eh.
>> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be able
> to
>> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with your
>> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account as
>> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9, and
>> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile under
>> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy things.
>>
>>
>> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at
>> following this rediculousness!
>>
>> geoff c.
>>
>> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>>
>>
>> > Hellow,
>> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the ap
>> store
>> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes where
> I'm
>> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select the
>> expiry
>> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how to
>> fix
>> > this?
>> >
>> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7 on
>> > my
>> > laptop.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> > Harmony.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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