[jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 05:01:40 +1100
then, hmmm, I'm kinda confused. from what your saying, it sounds like there
is a work-around for doing what your needing then? or have I missed
something?
or is it just a relative hardness thing your speaking of?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:44 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> hi,
>
> this is not just hi-lighting,
> sighted people just move the mouse down the list of songs and hit the
> checkbox for a song they want to add to their ipod.
> jaws users have to hit apps key, go down to check selection and hit enter.
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:37 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
>
> > in version 8, I've never needed to do that brian. could you explain a
> > little
> > more exactly what the purposes of those checkBoxes are? different from
> > utilizing shift+arros to select things? are you talking for
discontiguous
> > selections maybe?
> > if your using 8, I thought you could Control+Click items manually with
the
> > JawsCursor activated?
> > have you tried this?
> > Does the checking of these boxes though, equate to the highlighting of
the
> > items, as read by jaws as selected items? if you turn screen Echo back
to
> > normative SayHighlited, and then makeing a custom highlight for the
> > particular selection color of a given item etc?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:07 AM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >
> >
> >> hi,
> >>
> >> anybody find a work around for the invisible check boxes when selecting
> >> songs in the tunes program, not on the web?
> >>
> >> Bryan Schulz
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:02 AM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jeff, I used Itunes 8 and found the combo box to be very massive at
> > times
> >> > and too much to work with when in the store. As it works now after
> >> > searching
> >> > the store, I can just press f6 for the HTML, and if I want to buy or
> >> > preview, I can press the letter B for the buy, and preview buttons.
The
> > f6
> >> > to jump through the box of search result when looking on the machine
at
> >> > local results still works as it did.
> >> > So, rather than it being a lack of access, we may prefer different
> >> > approaches to using iTunes.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> >> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 AM
> >> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >> >
> >> > Hi matt.
> >> >
> >> > man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two
> >> > questions for you:
> >> > and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very
> >> > helpful
> >> > one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very
> >> > useful.
> >> >
> >> > two questions for you however:
> >> >
> >> > 1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9?
> >> >
> >> > or did you jump straight from 7 to 9?
> >> >
> >> > 2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the
> > ITunes
> >> > edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with
various
> >> > things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a
list
> >> > box
> >> > will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring
> >> > keyboard
> >> > focus,
> >> > and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc.
> >> > when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150
entries,
> >> > versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each
> > one.
> >> > pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently
> >> > selected
> >> > song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick
buy
> >> > thing, if that's what your prefernece was.
> >> > Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using
> > ITunes
> >> > 9
> >> > and jaws 11?
> >> > and that you can do all that right now on your machine?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > Geoff c.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM
> >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9
but
> > in
> >> >> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine
> >> >> and
> >> > the
> >> >> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice.
> >> >>
> >> >> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register
via
> > the
> >> >> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's
> >> >> established.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> >> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM
> >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> hi there.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony
> >> >> or
> >> >> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!>
> >> >>
> >> >> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy
> >> >> ones,
> >> > and
> >> >> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer,
> > and
> >> >> fervently wish for!
> >> >>
> >> >> first of all, I regret to have to tell you,
> >> >> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest
> >> > version
> >> >> of ITunes 9,
> >> >> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the
> >> > funkiest
> >> >> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not
> > would
> >> > of
> >> >> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can
> > tell
> >> > you
> >> >> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to
setup/register
> >> >> your
> >> >> account with ITunes with version 9 independently,
> >> >> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly,
> >> >> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling
> >> > around,
> >> >> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and
> >> > simplest
> >> >> way in my view at this point,
> >> >> so far as my testings here are concerned,
> >> >> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken,
> >> >> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and
> >> >> purchasing, of
> >> >> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x,
> >> >> that
> >> > I've
> >> >> been able to determine!
> >> >> I don't know if that includes apps or not though.
> >> >>
> >> >> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard
> >> >> accessible
> >> >> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the
f6
> > key
> >> > to
> >> >> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list
view
> >> > pane,
> >> >> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc,
> >> >> and
> >> > the
> >> >> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the
> >> >> option,
> >> >> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item,"
> >> >> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> this version can be found here:
> >> >>
> >> >> or at least it could:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >>http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f
> >> >>
> >> >> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems
> >> >> however,
> >> >> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6
even
> >> >> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible
on
> >> >> the
> >> >> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible
to
> >> > them
> >> >> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem
> >> >> possible
> >> >> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the
> >> >> ITunes
> >> >> store itself, with the jawsCursor.
> >> >> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor
> >> >> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around
> > and
> >> >> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that
with
> >> > ITunes
> >> >> version 9 any more.
> >> >>
> >> >> it's not a happy story!
> >> >>
> >> >> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the
> >> >> above:
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this.
> >> >> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers?
> >> >> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor
is
> >> > like,
> >> >> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level
> >> >> with stumbling around on computers?
> >> >> <grin.>
> >> >> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily?
> >> >>
> >> >> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you
have,
> > of
> >> >> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11.
> >> >> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think
> >> >> I've
> >> >> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy,
> >> >> is, ... ok, deep breath here.
> >> >> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11
> >> >> behaves
> >> >> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on
forms
> >> > mode,
> >> >> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual
> >> >> cursor
> >> >> and realWorld cursor
> >> >> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows,
and
> >> > what
> >> >> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus.
> >> >> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other.
> >> >> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type
pane,
> > and
> >> >> you arrow
> >> >> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all
the
> >> >> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type
> > your
> >> >> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord,
> > make
> >> > up
> >> >> a question to help them with IDentity,
> >> >> type your answer to that question,
> >> >> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list
> >> > Boxes,
> >> >> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via
email,
> >> >> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox,
> >> >> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox,
> >> >> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom,
> >> >>
> >> >> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your
> >> >> virtual
> >> >> cursor arrows,
> >> >> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the
> > first
> >> >> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email
address,
> >> >> and
> >> >> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you
> >> > discovered,
> >> >> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't
> > immediately
> >> >> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application
> >> >> interaction,
> >> >> as you'd expect it to.
> >> >> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box.
> >> >> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things
> > rather
> >> >> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land.
> >> >>
> >> >> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each
edit
> >> >> box,
> >> >> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because
> >> > iTunes
> >> >> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes,
> >> >> without
> >> >> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first.
> >> >> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve
> >> >> text,
> >> >> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than
> >> >> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land.
> >> >>
> >> >> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms
> >> >> mode,
> >> > back
> >> >> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as
> > you
> >> >> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in
> >> > between
> >> >> each form field.
> >> >> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms
> >> >> mode.
> >> >> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to
> > arrow
> >> >> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced
> >> >> kind
> >> >> of
> >> >> forms mode, or
> >> >> direct interactivity with the application mode,
> >> >> etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got
> >> >> the
> >> > half
> >> >> of it yet!
> >> >>
> >> >> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the
> >> > prompts
> >> >> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e.
> >> >> 1. email address as apple ID,
> >> >> 2. passWord,
> >> >> 3. Verify password,
> >> >> etc.
> >> >> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find
a
> >> > whole
> >> >> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the
> >> > account
> >> >> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with
> > that,
> >> > to
> >> >> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck.
> >> >> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that
means
> >> >> your
> >> >> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual
Pc
> >> >> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the
page
> > if
> >> >> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to
> > read
> >> >> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above.
> > don't
> >> >> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each
> > one,
> >> > and
> >> >> hit readCurrent line to checkem.
> >> >> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the
> > point
> >> >> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically
> >> >> read
> >> > some
> >> >> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws
> >> >> Config
> >> > for
> >> >> ITunes eh.
> >> >>
> >> >> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help
> > them
> >> >> identify you. jaws should say Question edit.
> >> >> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should
> >> > identify
> >> >> as, "answer edit," and type the answer.
> >> >>
> >> >> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit.
> >> >> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current
> >> >> line,
> >> >> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list
> > box,
> >> > to
> >> >> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow
> > keys,
> >> >> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with
insert+zed.
> >> >> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for
> > you,
> >> > to
> >> >> enable list box arrow navigation.
> >> >> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now,
> >> >> this,
> >> >> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of
> > course
> >> >> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit
> >> >> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to
> > confirm
> >> >> what your entering is correct.
> >> >> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox.
> >> >>
> >> >> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily
> > identified
> >> >> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month
selected.
> >> > same
> >> >> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify.
> >> >>
> >> >> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which
> >> >> spaceBar
> >> >> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via
> > email.
> >> >> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons.
> >> >>
> >> >> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore
> > the
> >> >> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things,
> > but
> >> > you
> >> >> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like
> > your
> >> >> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just
> >> >> start
> >> >> typing them. ituens should except them.
> >> >> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes
as
> > the
> >> >> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor
with
> >> >> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows.
> >> >> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit
boxes.
> > you
> >> >> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says,
"code,"
> > or
> >> >> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those
> > edit
> >> >> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab
> >> >> through
> >> >> this.
> >> >>
> >> >> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session
has
> >> > timed
> >> >> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no
> > doubt
> >> >> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> All the best with that eh.
> >> >> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be
> > able
> >> > to
> >> >> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with
> >> >> your
> >> >> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account
> >> >> as
> >> >> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9,
> >> >> and
> >> >> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile
> > under
> >> >> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy
> > things.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at
> >> >> following this rediculousness!
> >> >>
> >> >> geoff c.
> >> >>
> >> >> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >> >> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM
> >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hellow,
> >> >> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for
the
> > ap
> >> >> store
> >> >> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes
> > where
> >> > I'm
> >> >> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select
> >> >> > the
> >> >> expiry
> >> >> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas
how
> > to
> >> >> fix
> >> >> > this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > laptop.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Harmony.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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