[jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
- From: "Jim Noseworthy" <jim.noseworthy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:32:14 -0400
Hello:
For what it's worth, you may have more luck using the SATOGO program to
access iTunes.
Cheers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:27 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> hi there.
>
> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony or
> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!>
>
> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy ones,
> and
> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer, and
> fervently wish for!
>
> first of all, I regret to have to tell you,
> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest
> version
> of ITunes 9,
> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the
> funkiest
> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not would
> of
> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can tell
> you
> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register your
> account with ITunes with version 9 independently,
> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly,
> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling
> around,
> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and
> simplest
> way in my view at this point,
> so far as my testings here are concerned,
> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken,
> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and
> purchasing, of
> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x, that
> I've
> been able to determine!
> I don't know if that includes apps or not though.
>
> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard accessible
> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6 key
> to
> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view
> pane,
> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc, and
> the
> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the option,
> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item,"
> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc.
>
> this version can be found here:
>
> or at least it could:
>
>> >http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f
>
> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems however,
> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even
> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on the
> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to
> them
> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem possible
> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the ITunes
> store itself, with the jawsCursor.
> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor
> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around and
> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with
> ITunes
> version 9 any more.
>
> it's not a happy story!
>
> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the above:
>
> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this.
> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers?
> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is
> like,
> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level
> with stumbling around on computers?
> <grin.>
> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily?
>
> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have, of
> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11.
> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think I've
> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy,
> is, ... ok, deep breath here.
> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11 behaves
> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms
> mode,
> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc.
>
> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual cursor
> and realWorld cursor
> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and
> what
> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus.
> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other.
> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane, and
> you arrow
> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the
> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type your
> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord, make
> up
> a question to help them with IDentity,
> type your answer to that question,
> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list
> Boxes,
> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email,
> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox,
> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox,
> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom,
>
> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your virtual
> cursor arrows,
> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the first
> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address, and
> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you
> discovered,
> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't immediately
> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application interaction,
> as you'd expect it to.
> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box.
> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things rather
> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land.
>
> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit box,
> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because
> iTunes
> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes, without
> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first.
> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve text,
> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than
> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land.
>
> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms mode,
> back
> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as you
> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in
> between
> each form field.
> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms mode.
> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to arrow
> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced kind of
> forms mode, or
> direct interactivity with the application mode,
> etc.
>
> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got the
> half
> of it yet!
>
> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the
> prompts
> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e.
> 1. email address as apple ID,
> 2. passWord,
> 3. Verify password,
> etc.
> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a
> whole
> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the
> account
> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with that,
> to
> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck.
> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means your
> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc
> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page if
> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to read
> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above. don't
> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each one,
> and
> hit readCurrent line to checkem.
> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the point
> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically read
> some
> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws Config
> for
> ITunes eh.
>
> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help them
> identify you. jaws should say Question edit.
> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should
> identify
> as, "answer edit," and type the answer.
>
> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit.
> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current line,
> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list box,
> to
> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow keys,
> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed.
> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for you,
> to
> enable list box arrow navigation.
> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now, this,
> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of course
> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit
> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to confirm
> what your entering is correct.
> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox.
>
> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily identified
> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected.
> same
> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify.
>
> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which spaceBar
> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via email.
> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons.
>
> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore the
> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things, but
> you
> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like your
> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just start
> typing them. ituens should except them.
> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as the
> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with
> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows.
> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes. you
> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code," or
> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those edit
> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab through
> this.
>
> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has
> timed
> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no doubt
> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not!
>
>
> All the best with that eh.
> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be able
> to
> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with your
> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account as
> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9, and
> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile under
> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy things.
>
>
> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at
> following this rediculousness!
>
> geoff c.
>
> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
>
>> Hellow,
>> I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the ap
> store
>> for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes where
>> I'm
>> meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select the
> expiry
>> date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how to
> fix
>> this?
>>
>> I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7 on my
>> laptop.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Harmony.
>>
>>
>>
>> __________
>> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com
>>
>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>>
>
> __________
> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com
>
> View the list's information and change your settings at
> http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
>
__________
Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com
View the list's information and change your settings at
http://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts
Other related posts: