[jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 03:52:40 +1100
Hi matt.
man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two
questions for you:
and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very helpful
one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very useful.
two questions for you however:
1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9?
or did you jump straight from 7 to 9?
2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the ITunes
edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with various
things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a list box
will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring keyboard
focus,
and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc.
when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150 entries,
versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each one.
pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently selected
song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick buy
thing, if that's what your prefernece was.
Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using ITunes 9
and jaws 11?
and that you can do all that right now on your machine?
Thanks.
Geoff c.
----- Original Message -----
From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9 but in
> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine and
the
> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice.
>
> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register via the
> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's established.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
> hi there.
>
> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony or
> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!>
>
> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy ones,
and
> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer, and
> fervently wish for!
>
> first of all, I regret to have to tell you,
> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest
version
> of ITunes 9,
> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the
funkiest
> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not would
of
> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can tell
you
> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register your
> account with ITunes with version 9 independently,
> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly,
> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling
around,
> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and
simplest
> way in my view at this point,
> so far as my testings here are concerned,
> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken,
> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and
> purchasing, of
> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x, that
I've
> been able to determine!
> I don't know if that includes apps or not though.
>
> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard accessible
> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6 key
to
> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view
pane,
> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc, and
the
> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the option,
> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item,"
> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc.
>
> this version can be found here:
>
> or at least it could:
>
> > >http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f
>
> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems however,
> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even
> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on the
> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to
them
> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem possible
> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the ITunes
> store itself, with the jawsCursor.
> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor
> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around and
> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with
ITunes
> version 9 any more.
>
> it's not a happy story!
>
> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the above:
>
> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this.
> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers?
> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is
like,
> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level
> with stumbling around on computers?
> <grin.>
> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily?
>
> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have, of
> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11.
> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think I've
> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy,
> is, ... ok, deep breath here.
> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11 behaves
> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms
mode,
> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc.
>
> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual cursor
> and realWorld cursor
> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and
what
> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus.
> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other.
> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane, and
> you arrow
> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the
> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type your
> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord, make
up
> a question to help them with IDentity,
> type your answer to that question,
> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list
Boxes,
> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email,
> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox,
> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox,
> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom,
>
> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your virtual
> cursor arrows,
> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the first
> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address, and
> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you
discovered,
> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't immediately
> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application interaction,
> as you'd expect it to.
> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box.
> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things rather
> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land.
>
> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit box,
> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because
iTunes
> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes, without
> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first.
> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve text,
> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than
> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land.
>
> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms mode,
back
> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as you
> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in
between
> each form field.
> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms mode.
> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to arrow
> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced kind of
> forms mode, or
> direct interactivity with the application mode,
> etc.
>
> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got the
half
> of it yet!
>
> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the
prompts
> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e.
> 1. email address as apple ID,
> 2. passWord,
> 3. Verify password,
> etc.
> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a
whole
> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the
account
> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with that,
to
> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck.
> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means your
> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc
> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page if
> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to read
> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above. don't
> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each one,
and
> hit readCurrent line to checkem.
> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the point
> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically read
some
> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws Config
for
> ITunes eh.
>
> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help them
> identify you. jaws should say Question edit.
> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should
identify
> as, "answer edit," and type the answer.
>
> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit.
> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current line,
> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list box,
to
> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow keys,
> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed.
> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for you,
to
> enable list box arrow navigation.
> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now, this,
> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of course
> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit
> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to confirm
> what your entering is correct.
> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox.
>
> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily identified
> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected.
same
> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify.
>
> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which spaceBar
> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via email.
> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons.
>
> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore the
> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things, but
you
> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like your
> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just start
> typing them. ituens should except them.
> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as the
> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with
> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows.
> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes. you
> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code," or
> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those edit
> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab through
> this.
>
> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has
timed
> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no doubt
> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not!
>
>
> All the best with that eh.
> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be able
to
> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with your
> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account as
> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9, and
> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile under
> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy things.
>
>
> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at
> following this rediculousness!
>
> geoff c.
>
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> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
>
> > Hellow,
> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the ap
> store
> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes where
I'm
> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select the
> expiry
> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how to
> fix
> > this?
> >
> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7 on my
> > laptop.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Harmony.
> >
> >
> >
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