[jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 11:44:54 -0600
hi,
this is not just hi-lighting,
sighted people just move the mouse down the list of songs and hit the
checkbox for a song they want to add to their ipod.
jaws users have to hit apps key, go down to check selection and hit enter.
Bryan Schulz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
> in version 8, I've never needed to do that brian. could you explain a
> little
> more exactly what the purposes of those checkBoxes are? different from
> utilizing shift+arros to select things? are you talking for discontiguous
> selections maybe?
> if your using 8, I thought you could Control+Click items manually with the
> JawsCursor activated?
> have you tried this?
> Does the checking of these boxes though, equate to the highlighting of the
> items, as read by jaws as selected items? if you turn screen Echo back to
> normative SayHighlited, and then makeing a custom highlight for the
> particular selection color of a given item etc?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:07 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>
>
>> hi,
>>
>> anybody find a work around for the invisible check boxes when selecting
>> songs in the tunes program, not on the web?
>>
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:02 AM
>> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>>
>>
>> > Jeff, I used Itunes 8 and found the combo box to be very massive at
> times
>> > and too much to work with when in the store. As it works now after
>> > searching
>> > the store, I can just press f6 for the HTML, and if I want to buy or
>> > preview, I can press the letter B for the buy, and preview buttons. The
> f6
>> > to jump through the box of search result when looking on the machine at
>> > local results still works as it did.
>> > So, rather than it being a lack of access, we may prefer different
>> > approaches to using iTunes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 AM
>> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>> >
>> > Hi matt.
>> >
>> > man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two
>> > questions for you:
>> > and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very
>> > helpful
>> > one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very
>> > useful.
>> >
>> > two questions for you however:
>> >
>> > 1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9?
>> >
>> > or did you jump straight from 7 to 9?
>> >
>> > 2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the
> ITunes
>> > edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with various
>> > things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a list
>> > box
>> > will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring
>> > keyboard
>> > focus,
>> > and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc.
>> > when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150 entries,
>> > versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each
> one.
>> > pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently
>> > selected
>> > song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick buy
>> > thing, if that's what your prefernece was.
>> > Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using
> ITunes
>> > 9
>> > and jaws 11?
>> > and that you can do all that right now on your machine?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> > Geoff c.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM
>> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9 but
> in
>> >> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine
>> >> and
>> > the
>> >> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice.
>> >>
>> >> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register via
> the
>> >> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's
>> >> established.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM
>> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>> >>
>> >> hi there.
>> >>
>> >> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony
>> >> or
>> >> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!>
>> >>
>> >> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy
>> >> ones,
>> > and
>> >> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer,
> and
>> >> fervently wish for!
>> >>
>> >> first of all, I regret to have to tell you,
>> >> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest
>> > version
>> >> of ITunes 9,
>> >> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the
>> > funkiest
>> >> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not
> would
>> > of
>> >> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can
> tell
>> > you
>> >> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register
>> >> your
>> >> account with ITunes with version 9 independently,
>> >> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly,
>> >> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling
>> > around,
>> >> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and
>> > simplest
>> >> way in my view at this point,
>> >> so far as my testings here are concerned,
>> >> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken,
>> >> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and
>> >> purchasing, of
>> >> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x,
>> >> that
>> > I've
>> >> been able to determine!
>> >> I don't know if that includes apps or not though.
>> >>
>> >> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard
>> >> accessible
>> >> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6
> key
>> > to
>> >> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view
>> > pane,
>> >> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc,
>> >> and
>> > the
>> >> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the
>> >> option,
>> >> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item,"
>> >> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc.
>> >>
>> >> this version can be found here:
>> >>
>> >> or at least it could:
>> >>
>> >> >
>>http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f
>> >>
>> >> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems
>> >> however,
>> >> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even
>> >> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on
>> >> the
>> >> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to
>> > them
>> >> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem
>> >> possible
>> >> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the
>> >> ITunes
>> >> store itself, with the jawsCursor.
>> >> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor
>> >> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around
> and
>> >> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with
>> > ITunes
>> >> version 9 any more.
>> >>
>> >> it's not a happy story!
>> >>
>> >> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the
>> >> above:
>> >>
>> >> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this.
>> >> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers?
>> >> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is
>> > like,
>> >> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level
>> >> with stumbling around on computers?
>> >> <grin.>
>> >> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily?
>> >>
>> >> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have,
> of
>> >> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11.
>> >> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think
>> >> I've
>> >> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy,
>> >> is, ... ok, deep breath here.
>> >> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11
>> >> behaves
>> >> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms
>> > mode,
>> >> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc.
>> >>
>> >> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual
>> >> cursor
>> >> and realWorld cursor
>> >> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and
>> > what
>> >> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus.
>> >> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other.
>> >> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane,
> and
>> >> you arrow
>> >> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the
>> >> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type
> your
>> >> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord,
> make
>> > up
>> >> a question to help them with IDentity,
>> >> type your answer to that question,
>> >> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list
>> > Boxes,
>> >> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email,
>> >> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox,
>> >> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox,
>> >> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom,
>> >>
>> >> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your
>> >> virtual
>> >> cursor arrows,
>> >> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the
> first
>> >> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address,
>> >> and
>> >> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you
>> > discovered,
>> >> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't
> immediately
>> >> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application
>> >> interaction,
>> >> as you'd expect it to.
>> >> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box.
>> >> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things
> rather
>> >> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land.
>> >>
>> >> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit
>> >> box,
>> >> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because
>> > iTunes
>> >> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes,
>> >> without
>> >> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first.
>> >> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve
>> >> text,
>> >> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than
>> >> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land.
>> >>
>> >> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms
>> >> mode,
>> > back
>> >> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as
> you
>> >> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in
>> > between
>> >> each form field.
>> >> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms
>> >> mode.
>> >> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to
> arrow
>> >> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced
>> >> kind
>> >> of
>> >> forms mode, or
>> >> direct interactivity with the application mode,
>> >> etc.
>> >>
>> >> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got
>> >> the
>> > half
>> >> of it yet!
>> >>
>> >> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the
>> > prompts
>> >> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e.
>> >> 1. email address as apple ID,
>> >> 2. passWord,
>> >> 3. Verify password,
>> >> etc.
>> >> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a
>> > whole
>> >> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the
>> > account
>> >> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with
> that,
>> > to
>> >> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck.
>> >> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means
>> >> your
>> >> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc
>> >> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page
> if
>> >> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to
> read
>> >> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above.
> don't
>> >> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each
> one,
>> > and
>> >> hit readCurrent line to checkem.
>> >> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the
> point
>> >> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically
>> >> read
>> > some
>> >> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws
>> >> Config
>> > for
>> >> ITunes eh.
>> >>
>> >> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help
> them
>> >> identify you. jaws should say Question edit.
>> >> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should
>> > identify
>> >> as, "answer edit," and type the answer.
>> >>
>> >> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit.
>> >> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current
>> >> line,
>> >> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list
> box,
>> > to
>> >> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow
> keys,
>> >> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed.
>> >> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for
> you,
>> > to
>> >> enable list box arrow navigation.
>> >> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now,
>> >> this,
>> >> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of
> course
>> >> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit
>> >> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to
> confirm
>> >> what your entering is correct.
>> >> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox.
>> >>
>> >> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily
> identified
>> >> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected.
>> > same
>> >> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify.
>> >>
>> >> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which
>> >> spaceBar
>> >> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via
> email.
>> >> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons.
>> >>
>> >> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore
> the
>> >> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things,
> but
>> > you
>> >> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like
> your
>> >> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just
>> >> start
>> >> typing them. ituens should except them.
>> >> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as
> the
>> >> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with
>> >> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows.
>> >> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes.
> you
>> >> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code,"
> or
>> >> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those
> edit
>> >> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab
>> >> through
>> >> this.
>> >>
>> >> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has
>> > timed
>> >> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no
> doubt
>> >> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All the best with that eh.
>> >> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be
> able
>> > to
>> >> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with
>> >> your
>> >> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account
>> >> as
>> >> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9,
>> >> and
>> >> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile
> under
>> >> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy
> things.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at
>> >> following this rediculousness!
>> >>
>> >> geoff c.
>> >>
>> >> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> >> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM
>> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hellow,
>> >> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the
> ap
>> >> store
>> >> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes
> where
>> > I'm
>> >> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select
>> >> > the
>> >> expiry
>> >> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how
> to
>> >> fix
>> >> > this?
>> >> >
>> >> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7
>> >> > on
>> >> > my
>> >> > laptop.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> >
>> >> > Harmony.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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