[access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
- From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 14:31:14 -0000
hi simon, the online bank cahoot always send such info in braille if you ask
them. also, my local branch of HSBC are happy to take me aside to one of
those cubical areas they use to tell me my pin quietly, if needed.
one thing that bugs me about the section of people who complain about chip
and pin, is the "it's another number to remember!" brigade. the number for C
and P is the same one you use in cash machines. so if you use them, then
whats there to complain about? smile.
the vast majority of chip and pin keypads i've come across are laid out the
same, but i have come across the odd one that is completely different. still
more consistancy in chip and pin keypads than in ATM's though! smile.
Kevin - owner of the audyssey gamers discussion list at:
www.audyssey.org
contact me via email/msn:
kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "goshawk" <goshawk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> the problem with chip&pin that I as a totally blind person have is that
none
> of the banks/credit card companies will tell you the pin, so how are you
> supposed to use it if no one will tell you what it is or supply it in
> accessible formats?
> it is the same with the number on the back of cards that a lot of places
ask
> for now, none of the banks/card companies will give a blind person that
info
> either.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:59 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > While I am glad of the information here, I do wish there wasn't such a
> > negative light shed on chip and pin. It is a great system, and a better
> > alternative than the signature in my view, which is easy to forge. I do
> > appreciate that some people can't use it, but there seems to be this
thing
> > that the blind can't use it also. For goodness' sake, it is just like
> > dialing a telephone, and so long as you remember the PIN, you're OK for
> the
> > most part.
> >
> > An even better system I saw recently, was in the USA. They want a piece
> of
> > ID before you can use your credit card, such as a driving licence, or
> > passport. I thought this too was a good system.
> >
> > All the best
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> > David Quarmby
> > Sent: 25 March 2006 08:09
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> >
> > For information; please circulate
> >
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> > Subject: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> >
> >
> > The TUC has been supporting the Disability Rights Commission in its work
> to
> > prevent discrimination against disabled people - especially learning
> > disabled people - through the adoption of chip and pin technology.
Having
> > failed to make real progress in discussion with the banks etc, the DRC
is
> > now considering legal action if suitable cases can be identified.
> >
> > They have asked the TUC for help in identifying individuals who may have
> > suffered discrimination through the failure of suppliers to accept
> > alternatives to Chip and Pin.
> > They ask anyone with a possible case to first contact the DRC Helpline,
> > 08457 622633 (textphone 08457 622644, fax 08457 778878) - helpline
> advisers
> > will discuss the case with the caller and if appropriate pass it on to
the
> > legal team.
> > Please can you circulate this information through any networks and
> encourage
> > anyone - especially a learning disabled member - with a possible case,
to
> > contact the DRC helpline.
> > Thanks,
> > Peter Purton
> > Policy Officer, Disability, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender Rights
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