[access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
- From: "goshawk" <goshawk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:13:32 -0000
the problem with chip&pin that I as a totally blind person have is that none
of the banks/credit card companies will tell you the pin, so how are you
supposed to use it if no one will tell you what it is or supply it in
accessible formats?
it is the same with the number on the back of cards that a lot of places ask
for now, none of the banks/card companies will give a blind person that info
either.
Simon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
> Hi.
>
> While I am glad of the information here, I do wish there wasn't such a
> negative light shed on chip and pin. It is a great system, and a better
> alternative than the signature in my view, which is easy to forge. I do
> appreciate that some people can't use it, but there seems to be this thing
> that the blind can't use it also. For goodness' sake, it is just like
> dialing a telephone, and so long as you remember the PIN, you're OK for
the
> most part.
>
> An even better system I saw recently, was in the USA. They want a piece
of
> ID before you can use your credit card, such as a driving licence, or
> passport. I thought this too was a good system.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
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Of
> David Quarmby
> Sent: 25 March 2006 08:09
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> Subject: [access-uk] Fw: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>
> For information; please circulate
>
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> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:24 PM
> Subject: Disabled People and Chip and Pin
>
>
> The TUC has been supporting the Disability Rights Commission in its work
to
> prevent discrimination against disabled people - especially learning
> disabled people - through the adoption of chip and pin technology. Having
> failed to make real progress in discussion with the banks etc, the DRC is
> now considering legal action if suitable cases can be identified.
>
> They have asked the TUC for help in identifying individuals who may have
> suffered discrimination through the failure of suppliers to accept
> alternatives to Chip and Pin.
> They ask anyone with a possible case to first contact the DRC Helpline,
> 08457 622633 (textphone 08457 622644, fax 08457 778878) - helpline
advisers
> will discuss the case with the caller and if appropriate pass it on to the
> legal team.
> Please can you circulate this information through any networks and
encourage
> anyone - especially a learning disabled member - with a possible case, to
> contact the DRC helpline.
> Thanks,
> Peter Purton
> Policy Officer, Disability, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Transgender Rights
> Equality & Employment Rights Department, TUC tel. 020 7467 1271 email
> ppurton@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> Visit the website www.tuc.org.uk/changingtimes
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