Hi Justin You said: >I've gone chip and signiture due to the fact that I'm nervous >using the chip and pin machines when I can't see the numbers and, what order > the numbers >are in. All you need to-do is: Feel for the button with a dot on it. that is key five. So the key to the left is key 4 the key just above key five is key two and of course the key to left of two is one! So it's not difficult to work it out. >I understand that most machines have the standard telephone number pad >layout. They all do. > However, the trouble is that some of them don't I think some confusion here. the layout for the number keys are all same. That does vary is whether keys: 1 4 7 start with first keys on left, or the second keys ok left. But key 4 is always just below key 1 and key 7 is always just below key 4 So if you feel for key 5 (key with dot) then the rest is easy to work out. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq