Please, pray tell (or shut up on this): detail every action taken by broadcasters to "draw out" the DTV transition. I suspect that if you were cabable of, and engaged in real investigation, you would find out that the single entity responsible for any delay in the DTV transition is the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. To quote from you: "I can offer no good explanation for this but it seems the broadcasters strategy is two pronged: Hang onto spectrum and hang onto must carry." I challenge you: My belief is that you cannot offer any good example. My perspective is that I actually talk to station and network engineers about their facilities, about their difficulties in getting their facilities on the air, and about the future of DTV. I tend to not read the trades, and I don't believe anything I read about this in non-trade sources. That might sound harsh at first, if you were to actually INQUIRE, you would find out that many TV stations operate from sites that are leased from the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Forest Service, etc. And, you would find out that VIRTUALLY EVERY station that is delayed in getting a license for their DTV facilities is because they haven't gotten final site approval from the feds. You would also discover that many of these federal victims are now operating at sub-optimal sites at less than full power, ONLY because of the lack of approval. In many western cities (Albuquerque, Phoenix, Tucson, Denver and maybe even Las Vegas come to mind) the ONLY way to broadcast to those cities -- to cover the entire city with a city grade contour -- is to use a federally-owned site. The FCC's allocation proceedings are rife with examples. Also, to add to the chain of ignorance, there are no "must carry" rights on satellite. Nobody is forcing satellite systems to carry local into local traffic. The opportunity was created at their request, without any requirement, other than "if you carry, you carry all." That's NOT a must-carry right: it's clearly a non-discriminatory provision. Cable and satellite systems are VERY discriminatory, but you'd only know that if you actually had tried to negotiate with them. I've been there, and tried that. Call me an apologist for broadcasters, but you cannot prove it. I have plenty of examples on this list that your comments are half-baked, uninformed but purporting to be otherwise, and are almost un-thought. Cross-polinating with Bert does not improve the situation. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom Barry Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:59 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels > It makes no sense to say that the DTV transition is "to retain > the status quo." What might make some sense is to say that > *broadcasters* are implementing the DTV transition using a > strategy whose sole purpose appears to be to retain their cable > rights. But maybe that doesn't fit in a nice little sound bite. I've sometimes thought that but that alone doesn't explain why they seem to want to hold the duplicate spectrum forever. I've been corrected a number of times on this by people associated with or sympathetic to the broadcast industry. The broadcasters spend a huge amount of money on power and duplicate effort continuing the drawn out dual TV transition. And yet they give every impression of wanting to continue in this fashion, so I assume that is what they choose for some reason. If all they wanted was must carry rights on cable and satellite then it seems they would support a faster transition, even if they didn't believe anyone was yet watching it digitally. I can offer no good explanation for this but it seems the broadcasters strategy is two pronged: Hang onto spectrum and hang onto must carry. - Tom Manfredi, Albert E wrote: > Tom Barry wrote: > > >>You could also use zero power TV stations for many of them, >>all in the >>same channel. And would all probably switch if it still guaranteed >>must carry status. > > > Zero power seems like it wouldn't qualify, but what you say is > the point I was trying to make. > > It makes no sense to say that the DTV transition is "to retain > the status quo." What might make some sense is to say that > *broacasters* are implementing the DTV transition using a > strategy whose sole purpose appears to be to retain their cable > rights. But maybe that doesn't fit in a nice little sound bite. > > Bert > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.