When I've made a mess of it in the past, the staff just ask me to sign instead. This is also the case when the machines themselves seem to be playing up. Unless this is only a facility offered to the VI, the problem with this is that it flies in the face of the very reason for introducing chip and pin. If someone gets hold of my card, they can just pretend to put the number in badly, then wait for the cashier to ask them to sign instead. Barry H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: chip and PIN I've just recently "had" to use chip & pin myself when purchasing something in M&S. I've always been opposed to chip and pin as, I don't see how accessible this is supposed to be. I understand the analoguey with being able to use a keypad if an individual can use a telephone. However, I understand, not all chip and pin key pads are layed out in exactly the same number order. The thing that worries me most about this chip and pin is, if you press the wrong key and make a mistake, what happens then? How it the mistake to be currected? None of hte great financial institutions that have forced chip and pin onto the general public, singing its endless praises, have explained how to sort things out when you make a mistake. There are plenty of sighted people who just happen to press the wrong button sometimes. They do have the edge though when it comes to seeing their straight away and knowing what button, if any, that currects the mistake that's been made. That was my big issue with this chip and pin business. it's very convinient but, very accessible. I suppose any member of staff aren't allowed to give us assistance due the privacy i.e. tapping in you're pin number. Hmmm..... I'm resigned to chip and pin, will use it if I have to but, don't feel secure with it given how visual it really is. Justin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: [access-uk] chip and PIN > Hi Steve >>I believe that if people see there is an accessible site, they sometimes >> assume that the main site isn't accessible, or is less accessible, which > is >> a logical assumption, because they then wonder why an accessible site was >> needed at all, if the main site is less accessible. > > Isn't that same sort of thinking with chip and PIN! > > RNIB campaigns for chip and signature, with reason that not all the blind > visually impaired are able to use chip and PIN. > However, the reasoning is surly flawed because those that claim unable to > use a key pad, how many of those are able to use a telephone? > The point being if one is able to use telephone then one must be able to > use > a key pad. > > I suggest the learning of layout for chip and PIN key pad, is easy if > one > already knows the layout for a telephone buttons! > > Of course there will be people blind visually impaired that simply don't > want to use chip and PIN, but that's just as true for sighted people. > > What do others think, is chip and PIN really and truly difficult to use > for those with little or no sight? > Regards, > Derek > > e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq