Hi Derek, You've hit the nail on the head with that analogy of using a telephone. I've been specifically looking at many different machines, and in common with telephones I've seen, all have a raised dot on the number 5 key. So what's the real problem? George. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby > Sent: 04 April 2005 12:44 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] chip and PIN > > Hi Steve > >I believe that if people see there is an accessible site, they > >sometimes assume that the main site isn't accessible, or is less > >accessible, which > is > > a logical assumption, because they then wonder why an > accessible site > > was needed at all, if the main site is less accessible. > > Isn't that same sort of thinking with chip and PIN! > > RNIB campaigns for chip and signature, with reason that not > all the blind visually impaired are able to use chip and PIN. > However, the reasoning is surly flawed because those that > claim unable to use a key pad, how many of those are able to > use a telephone? > The point being if one is able to use telephone then one > must be able to use a key pad. > > I suggest the learning of layout for chip and PIN key pad, > is easy if one already knows the layout for a telephone buttons! > > Of course there will be people blind visually impaired that > simply don't want to use chip and PIN, but that's just as > true for sighted people. > > What do others think, is chip and PIN really and truly > difficult to use for those with little or no sight? > Regards, > Derek > > e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > This Message has been scanned for viruses by McAfee Groupshield. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq